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Post by alexandra on Dec 23, 2019 20:48:49 GMT
I will be totally honest. I am so in love with that man and maybe a little "jealous" that what scares me the most is he will go "fix" himself now that we didnt work out and be the perfect man then. I dont know why I'm so fixated or broken over this, but its something that really has been bugging me. That's normal to feel. It also won't happen. He's not looking to change. He's only had 3 month relationships besides you and he's 39 years old. Even if it looks from the outside like he's got a nice new relationship, he's going to treat all his partners the same crappy way. None of that matters once you change your narrative to focus on yourself. You're not "so in love with him" that it's out of your control. But you are feeling chemical withdrawal right now, which is why it will help you to distance first. You've still got to heal more from the breakup before you can tackle your own attachment issues.
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Post by faithopelove on Dec 23, 2019 20:49:19 GMT
I will be totally honest. I am so in love with that man and maybe a little "jealous" that what scares me the most is he will go "fix" himself now that we didnt work out and be the perfect man then. I dont know why I'm so fixated or broken over this, but its something that really has been bugging me. lostinlove - If he does the work to fix himself and you believe the two of you share something truly special, then he’ll come back to you. Time and distance won’t diminish his feelings for you if they are genuine. With his increased awareness and feelings for you, he would have every reason to return to a better and healthier relationship. Being away from someone doesn’t mean you stop loving them or will choose someone else. Every person has that choice to make.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 23, 2019 20:58:02 GMT
I will be totally honest. I am so in love with that man and maybe a little "jealous" that what scares me the most is he will go "fix" himself now that we didnt work out and be the perfect man then. I dont know why I'm so fixated or broken over this, but its something that really has been bugging me. lostinlove - If he does the work to fix himself and you believe the two of you share something truly special, then he’ll come back to you. Time and distance won’t diminish his feelings for you if they are genuine. With his increased awareness and feelings for you, he would have every reason to return to a better and healthier relationship. Being away from someone doesn’t mean you stop loving them or will choose someone else. Every person has that choice to make. This is also true. While the odds are lower for someone to do the work and in a reasonable amount of time... I personally did it and when I was not secure yet but getting there a year later, I reopened communication with the ex I had problems with but loved after not talking to him for most of that time. I had changed into an open communicator with words and actions that fully aligned. If the issues with the relationship were primarily my fault, then we would have made it work at that point. We didn't, because he is FA and hadn't done his work at all, so only a portion of the problems were fixed (think of it as, you're responsible for your side which is a third, your partner for their side is a third, and your relationship itself being compatible is a third). Also, he had not asked me to do anything, I completely took it on myself to because I was tired of chaotic relationships that left me feeling devastated. (It's been another two years since we reopened communication, he's never changed or become secure.) But this example should also indicate how important it is to fix your side of things, too. Someone may come back and if your issues are still there, the relationship is still likely to be unhealthy.
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Post by mrob on Dec 23, 2019 21:08:43 GMT
lostinlove - If he does the work to fix himself and you believe the two of you share something truly special, then he’ll come back to you. Time and distance won’t diminish his feelings for you if they are genuine. With his increased awareness and feelings for you, he would have every reason to return to a better and healthier relationship. Being away from someone doesn’t mean you stop loving them or will choose someone else. Every person has that choice to make. This is also true. While the odds are lower for someone to do the work and in a reasonable amount of time... I personally did it and when I was not secure yet but getting there a year later, I reopened communication with the ex I had problems with but loved after not talking to him for most of that time. I had changed into an open communicator with words and actions that fully aligned. If the issues with the relationship were primarily my fault, then we would have made it work at that point. We didn't, because he is FA and hadn't done his work at all, so only a portion of the problems were fixed (think of it as, you're responsible for your side which is a third, your partner for their side is a third, and your relationship itself being compatible is a third). Also, he had not asked me to do anything, I completely took it on myself to because I was tired of chaotic relationships that left me feeling devastated. (It's been another two years since we reopened communication, he's never changed or become secure.) But this example should also indicate how important it is to fix your side of things, too. Someone may come back and if your issues are still there, the relationship is still likely to be unhealthy. Even after having the awareness of this stuff, I've had some really painful learning experiences with people. Recently, I've had contact with the lady that lead me here two years ago, almost in a post mortem way, and I can just feel inside that it wouldn't be right, even though she's the best match I've ever had in my life. If you'd like to see this from an FA's point of view, have a look at my early posts when I was really out there.
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Post by lostinlove on Dec 23, 2019 21:08:48 GMT
He blocked me on everything and told me to please stop contacting him, move on with life, and go date someone else. He has zero interest in ever dating me, hanging out, or being friends. Do you think he really means it?
But this was also after I bugged him for a month post break-up to come back. Can an avoidant really have feelings for you? I cant really understand how we could live together and last the longest, yet he lost all feelings.
The day I moved out he told me I broke him (whatever that means), and his friend said I probably hurt his feelings for stuff that was said on Facebook. I didnt think I posted anything bad, but they saw it as otherwise.
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Post by lostinlove on Dec 23, 2019 21:45:13 GMT
That's been bugging me too is if he really thinks I did "break" him, or somehow made him hate me, I tried apologizing for my side of things, be he was not accepting of it, it seemed like. He seemed really cold to me after he dumped me. Like ice cold.
I absolutely hate ending things on bad terms with people. Its bugging me. I told him that there must have been a misunderstanding. But he completely ignored any communication after dumping me, except telling me he doesnt want to see me, hangout, date, or be friends. I'm so confused where I did this man so wrong!
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Post by amber on Dec 23, 2019 21:55:34 GMT
I think at the moment you are very stuck in a part of yourself that wants him to love you. This is normal...but you have to start separating this form him and bring to recognise this is old wounds. If you and you your father disagreed a lot, chances are when you were a child you saw this as “my Father doesn’t understand me, see me,listen to me, see my worth”etc. so this creates wounds to self esteem and self worth.
Yes avoidants can love but they often devalue relationships and disconnect from their feelings as a way of protecting themselves. Chances are he does love you but may not be aware of it. Love and pain go hand in hand for those of us insecure. You should take what he says at face value. If he says he doesn’t want to have contact,believe and respect that. I found the best way forward was initiating no contact with me ex. Slowly you start separating. If you have any contact it keeps the unhealthy connection going and u stay more stuck.
The real healing begins when you start processing things on an emotional level. All the understanding in the world on an intellectual level won’t change your patterning or wounding. Because this stuff is at the nervous system/limbic level of a person. That’s why somatic experiencing therapy is most useful. Also, trying to “figure this out/figure him out” is typical AP pattern.i do this relentlessly.ive come to see this partly as something I did as a child to get love from my mum and partly as a way to avoid feelings. If I stay stuck in my head thinking I don’t have to feel The pain.
Like you, a few months before I split with my ex I developed heart palpitations. Strangely enough they almost completely went away once we broke up. I also lost 4kg from the areas of being with him. The anxiety literally ate me away. Your body is giving you evidence of how unhealthy this is for you. You should listen, before you potentially develop a worse condition.
I can relate to the fears about your ex healing and moving on and being perfect and having a great r/ship with someone else. The chances are Slim. I remind myself how incredibly hard healing is...I’ve been in therapy for 15 years and have done a LOT of emotional processing and yet still I have a lot of wounds and pain. It would take YEARS of hard, hard work with a therapist to work through even just some of this stuff. The older someone gets the harder it is. Like you I had to remind myself that my ex was 49 years Old, had not had a relationship longer than 6 months for over ten years, had very little self awareness of willingness to change and had very little money or time to get therapy. So what’s the chances of him changing?! The neural Pathways are well set in at that age
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Post by lostinlove on Dec 23, 2019 22:06:24 GMT
I'm just wondering what I did to "break" this man?! So confusing!
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Post by amber on Dec 23, 2019 22:24:58 GMT
You are looking for us to provide you with Answers to questions we may not be able to answer. I feel you are finding ways to feed your anxiety with some of your questions. I realised myself recently that drama and intensity can be addictive. It could be worth considering if you have this going on. From my perspectice based on the things you are saying,You are stuck in analysis and probably not willing to really face yourself or address your own issues at the moment. Hopefully in time you’ll get there, once you get sick of the pain.
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Post by mrob on Dec 24, 2019 1:44:16 GMT
I'm just wondering what I did to "break" this man?! So confusing! It’s actually straightforward. If you haven’t read Jeb’s book, do it for yourself. An avoidant doesn’t operate in a vacuum. Personally, if you’d been bothering me for a month continuously, I’d block you too, but I can guarantee there’s more to this once you dig down. This isn’t about the minutiae of what actually happened. This is big stuff, challenging what you think is love.
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Post by faithopelove on Dec 24, 2019 6:54:20 GMT
I think also maybe he has other issues going on besides insecure attachment? That’s just one piece of the puzzle. If he claims you broke him and he’s unwilling to communicate, shows instability and unreliability and refuses to take responsibility for his own actions while always blaming others....maybe he has a disorder of some kind that you aren’t even aware of that’s affecting him.
The only thing we know is he’s unwilling to talk to you in any capacity now or in the future. You have to take that at face value and I would remind myself that no matter how many good times you shared, the future you planned or how much you wanted it to work- it’s not working. If he wanted to stay, he has many options to try and make it work, but he’s just not willing. It’s painful and hard to accept, but for my own sake I would go no contact so you can begin to end the pain of rejection and move forward with your healing.
So sorry you’re so frustrated without answers and hurting 😞 It will get better.
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Post by lostinlove on Dec 24, 2019 8:46:11 GMT
My therapist actually said the same thing. She said there is alot more going on than just an attachment issue, that he has some other deep issues it seems like.
He never told me about any, but that's if he even knew of any. He always told me he had never gone to the doctor or anything, basically his whole life. Finally got him to get a physical and tetanus shot for the first time last fall when we were together.
When we dated it seemed like he felt comfortable to an extent stepping out of his "comfort zone". We did many things he had never done before, he went to church with me, he went and got a physical, this fall, he even took a couple days off at the farm to come to an appt with me, and spend a day out of town with my family. I was pleasantly surprised. He told me he did alot more in the relationship with me, than he has done most of his life. And never found a girl that he actually felt like marrying, like he did me. So much for that, lol.
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Post by lostinlove on Dec 24, 2019 12:02:28 GMT
Also, I do feel really down on myself about this whole thing. I do feel like it mostly is my fault why he left. I did get pretty anxious as the relationship went on and I feel like alot of that came from his unpredictability. And anxious as to whether or not he was going to leave. He would threaten it so much, that anytime we had a disagreement, big or small, I would say "are you going to leave me?" And he would say "I dont know yet, I'm really thinking about it".
Also, after the breakup I sent him emails saying where I went wrong by talking back and not giving him enough space probably. And how I was extra moody when I was sick. Basically probably allowing him to walk away with pride knowing he did nothing wrong.
I havent once gotten any kind of apology from him, for anything. And I'm confident I never will.
I think I broke him and he hates me because I did blame it on myself, so in turn, he can say it was all my fault why he had to dump me.
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Post by tnr9 on Dec 24, 2019 16:50:36 GMT
I will be totally honest. I am so in love with that man and maybe a little "jealous" that what scares me the most is he will go "fix" himself now that we didnt work out and be the perfect man then. I dont know why I'm so fixated or broken over this, but its something that really has been bugging me. Ohhhh...I soooooo recognize that fear. I am actually going through it right now with a guy I dated who has a new girlfriend. I get these images of him being the perfect boyfriend to her the way he never was able to be with me. As if I was unable to win him fully...as if there was something defective with me. Hugs.💕💕💕
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Post by alexandra on Dec 24, 2019 19:10:10 GMT
lostinlove, it's really great you have a therapist to help you work through this time. There's something causing you to blame yourself for someone else's garbage behavior that hopefully you and the therapist will be able to uncover together. One of your short posts was so him-focused, I actually counted the number of times you wrote he/him versus me/I/my/we. You're not making any space for yourself, even in your writing. So I'd also suggest you ask your therapist about CBT therapy techniques if you haven't already. No healthy relationship should be so one-sided or involve one partner constantly threatening to leave. It will take you a while before you can see this, but you're incredibly lucky not to marry him. There's a lot of good information given in this thread by several people, and I also hope after you have healed enough to stop ruminating obsessively that you'll be able to go back to re-read and actually receive the messages people have left. The amount of trauma you're currently expressing (through the obsession and physical ailments) does point to a high likelihood of you tolerating an emotionally abusive situation for way too long. Just because someone has an insecure attachment style doesn't make them an awful person or abusive, so I'd agree there's something darker going on here -- but you need to be in a stronger state of mind to objectively understand that, which you can only do by continuing to focus on yourself first. Including with the therapist. Escaping from this relationship, even though it doesn't look to you to be what happened, will improve your life drastically once you recover from the addictive aspects. Try to look at the bigger picture when you're hurtling down the rumination spiral. Good luck.
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