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Post by tnr9 on Dec 25, 2019 3:29:19 GMT
Also, I do feel really down on myself about this whole thing. I do feel like it mostly is my fault why he left. I did get pretty anxious as the relationship went on and I feel like alot of that came from his unpredictability. And anxious as to whether or not he was going to leave. He would threaten it so much, that anytime we had a disagreement, big or small, I would say "are you going to leave me?" And he would say "I dont know yet, I'm really thinking about it". Also, after the breakup I sent him emails saying where I went wrong by talking back and not giving him enough space probably. And how I was extra moody when I was sick. Basically probably allowing him to walk away with pride knowing he did nothing wrong. I havent once gotten any kind of apology from him, for anything. And I'm confident I never will. I think I broke him and he hates me because I did blame it on myself, so in turn, he can say it was all my fault why he had to dump me. I know it is so difficult to change a pattern of self blame....as if somehow the common denominator is you. From my own personal experience....it is not you....I know it feels like it is you...I know that the ruminations are telling you that it is you....but...it truly is not. Still, I recognize that someone else telling you something and you actually believing it are 2 separate matters and I want you to know that it is ok to be where you are at. If you ever just want to speak one on one, you can certainly PM me any time. I would also encourage looking into ways you can calm and sooth your body to reduce the overwhelm feeling. One really good exercise is legs up the wall...you literally scoot your but very close to a wall and then rest your legs up the wall. Listen to some soothing music, close your eyes....stay that way for 5-10 minutes. See how you feel afterwards.
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Post by annieb on Dec 25, 2019 21:52:50 GMT
Regardless if this man has an attachment disorder, you are only to blame for staying for as long as you did. You should have left after about the third fight at a maximum. THis man future faked with you and then turned on a dime. This man sounds like a narcissist and the longer you hung in there the worse he would have got. Count your lucky stars that he didn't turn violent because that would have been the next thing had you hung in there any longer. Now it's possible that you just don't have enough dating experience, but you were enabling his behavior by waiting around so many times. You should have quit the first time he left you stranded at a hospital. Thing is you are also asking for a lot from a person, he is not your husb and and you were only dating and you were putting too much pressure on him also. Not to say that if you didn't put the pressure on, things would have been different. They wouldn't. You purposefully picked a man that couldn't give anything real to you and that is your own avoidance you need to see and fix. I am not victim blaming. Next time bail at the maximum third red flag, and try to find someone that goes at a real pace and without future faking.
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Post by amber on Dec 25, 2019 22:07:03 GMT
I have learned from my recent r/ship that going too fast is not healthy. Having sex on the first few dates, planning a future in the first months etc Is moving too quickly and can create what I believe to be false feelings of intimacy and closeness.me and my ex engaged in a lot of tantric practices within the first two months of meeting and in hindsight in created a feeling of closeness which wasn’t real. Real intimacy is being vulnerable and working through the hard stuff, life stresses, conflict etc, and being there for your partner during these times, not just bailing when the going gets tough. My ex did a runner a few weeks after the first argument we had. Now if someone can’t handle one argument this is never a good sign. How would you spend year after year with a person knowing the difficulties life brings if they can’t even handle some conflict?
I agree with what Annie said that by staying with a person who treats us badly we are technically saying “yes,this is ok, you don’t have to change,I’ll put up with this”...it enables it to continue. Where’s their motivation for change?? And that is incredibly disempowering for us. My therapist said when we stay in such situations we are retraumatising the child parts of ourselves... the adult you has to protect the child parts of you that were not protected by your own parents as a child. This way you rewrite the story 😄
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Post by lostinlove on Dec 26, 2019 11:53:30 GMT
Ugh, I wish I knew what was wrong with me. I seriously want this guy back and want to reach out so bad.
I am having this super unsettling feeling about this all. I wasnt perfect either and definitely had anger/anxiety in the relationship, but it's because we couldn't talk or compromise anything.
I don't understand how you can go from living with simeone every day pretty much, to hating their guts so bad you never will talk to them again, just in the snap of a finger. And he has gotten rid of every trace of me. Everything.
I hate that I feel like he is getting his life together and will treat the next woman like a queen. They probably wont fight or anything and will have the perfect life, he will listen to her and compromise so this doesnt happen to his next LTR. I hate this feeling.
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Post by lostinlove on Dec 26, 2019 12:23:59 GMT
I literally cannot stand being on such bad terms with someone in my life. I hate it so much. I hate knowing someone absolutely hates me so much and claims I ruined their life and broke them.
I am clueless to what I even did, but he said he never wants to see or talk to me again.
What are some ways or ideas to reach out to him to try and get him to talk about this sometime? I tried telling him the break up had to have been a misundersranding and we really should talk over it so theres no hate or hard feelings and maybe some closure. But he wont and it seems like he has already moved on, but with so much hate and resentment. I was completely blindsided by it. And the night before he told me he loved me and never wanted to lose a good woman I like.
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Post by cukie on Dec 26, 2019 16:13:18 GMT
So here's the thing, he's not going to get his life together. Unless he's getting serious therapy and actually facing a lot of those core issues - his next relationship will burst into flames - and the next one - and the one after that.
People like this seem to have their lives together because grief over relationships doesn't manifest in the same way it does for you. They are capable of flipping their emotions off like a switch. Maybe he does it by blaming you. Sure it might seem great but you've got to realize that until that person goes on the very difficult journey of helping themselves they will never be able to form a long lasting relationship.
But you need to come to terms with the fact that he's a disaster and bad for your life.
Anyone capable of treating you like this isn't someone you want to reach out to or reconcile with. Voluntarily trying to let them back into your life (especially so soon after the breakup) is only going to lead you down a road filled with pain and disappointment.
Maybe some day down the line he will find some miracle person who's capable of dealing with his issues - but thats not you. Unless you want to go back to dealing with someone who "needs space" while you are at the emergency room.
Its totally normal to want them back, to feel sad, and longing. But don't act on it, and try to cement the idea that you will never let yourself be treated so poorly in a relationship again.
One last thing - I used to think "well, maybe if we had went back and compromised and met eachother halfway it would have been different." But then I asked myself if I really wanted to stake my future happiness on a relationship that was half of what I wanted. Would you really be okay going through the rest of your life never feeling fully satisfied in a half-relationship? Maybe its just best to find someone who wants the same thing as you, someone where you don't have to sacrifice half of what you want to keep a relationship on life support.
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Post by beyondconfused on Dec 26, 2019 17:29:45 GMT
I literally cannot stand being on such bad terms with someone in my life. I hate it so much. I hate knowing someone absolutely hates me so much and claims I ruined their life and broke them. I am clueless to what I even did, but he said he never wants to see or talk to me again. What are some ways or ideas to reach out to him to try and get him to talk about this sometime? I tried telling him the break up had to have been a misundersranding and we really should talk over it so theres no hate or hard feelings and maybe some closure. But he wont and it seems like he has already moved on, but with so much hate and resentment. I was completely blindsided by it. And the night before he told me he loved me and never wanted to lose a good woman I like. But you cannot force someone to talk through something if they dont want to. Your anxiety is driving you to want to fix it, and the reality is you cant. If he doesnt wish to speak to you, only he can make the decision to change that. You did all you could, take comfort in that. The more you get distance from this you will see how terrible he has treated you and see the relationship for what it truly was.
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Post by kittygirl on Dec 26, 2019 17:37:49 GMT
lostinlove I realize that this (and many of the previous posts) are falling on deaf ears to some degree as you are simply in too much pain to be able to see things clearly right now. I get it. Emotions are so visceral that they can override our logical processing (which served us well when we were in survival mode in human history -now not so much). But here is something you can do on your own time that I think will be extremely invaluable to you. I suggest (STRONGLY suggect) that you read through every single post in the FA section of these boards (click here jebkinnisonforum.com/board/6/fearful-avoidant). I did. I read through them all. I started with the oldest stuff (dating back to 2015!) and read through until I got to the recent posts. I did this back when I was still in my "information gathering" stage of the relationship I had with an FA man-I thought "Ah ok if we are both armed with knowledge then we can do this! (I am a scientist and this is how I approach things in general). So I read. And I read. And I read some more. And what started to happen was a real shift in my thinking. Because what you will find AS HEARTBREAKING AND PAINFUL AS IT IS, your story is not unique. At all. In fact, story after story plays out *just* like yours does. People move in together. People get married. PEOPLE GET STRAIGHT UP GHOSTED AFTER YEARS OF BEING TOGETHER. Ghosted. No explanation. Just "I love you" one day and then radio silence the next. My relationship with my FA man was only 6 months. But the REASON it was short and didn't last as long as others on here is because I called him out and left as soon as the first real deactivation happened. And do you know why I did? Because I read OVER and OVER again on these boards how people WISHED they had left sooner. NO ONE said they wished they had just stuck around longer to see how it played out. No one. Literally. You have access (via the amazing community that frequents this forum) to some of the most insightful and powerful knowledge in the entire world (no exaggeration) on attachment issues. And the reason is that we have lived it. Some people have even lived it multiple times. Some people are themselves working on their own attachment issues and can speak to how LONG this take and how much work you have to put into it-these same people will TELL you that simply "putting up" with shit behavior over and over again does absolutely nothing whatsoever in changing the behavior. Nothing. I don't think that me giving you advice will be nearly as powerful to you as simply reading through people's stories. What they have lived through. And really try your best right now through your pain and anxiety to open your heart to the lessons they can teach you. I think you will be surprised at how many times YOUR EXACT SCENARIO has played out. With the same result each and every time. Reading the boards and really taking that information in changed my life. Literally. I know you are fixated on what he said (the "I love yous" and such) but my mom ALWAYS used to say this to me growing up "Your actions speak so loudly, I can't hear what you're saying". Really think about that. Saying "i love you" and actually loving someone (through your behavior) are 2 totally different things.
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Post by lostinlove on Dec 26, 2019 19:14:46 GMT
Can dealing with a FA bring out more anger/anxiousness in us during the relationship? At the beginning of the relationship I felt calm and secure. It was when he kept saying he wanted to leave or not seem to work through things, that it gave me increased anxiety. He would sometimes even seem "calm" himself, but he knew how to get me aggravated and then walk away from me. Which REALLY got me going. This is where I feel like I failed and it's my fault, and why I felt "punished" all the time by him backing out of plans and whatnot. If I just would of been calm and given him space, I feel like things would be ok. But I didnt know about avoidance until after our relationship.
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Post by lostinlove on Dec 26, 2019 19:20:59 GMT
I do have to give him some credit though. He did nice things and gestures, came to some appointments, sometimes. As long as he wasnt mad or angered at me. And as long as it was basically on his convenience.
I really think he honestly TRIED.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 26, 2019 19:54:31 GMT
But here is something you can do on your own time that I think will be extremely invaluable to you. I suggest (STRONGLY suggect) that you read through every single post in the FA section of these boards (click here jebkinnisonforum.com/board/6/fearful-avoidant). I did. I read through them all. I started with the oldest stuff (dating back to 2015!) and read through until I got to the recent posts. I did this back when I was still in my "information gathering" stage of the relationship I had with an FA man-I thought "Ah ok if we are both armed with knowledge then we can do this! (I am a scientist and this is how I approach things in general). So I read. And I read. And I read some more. And what started to happen was a real shift in my thinking. Because what you will find AS HEARTBREAKING AND PAINFUL AS IT IS, your story is not unique. At all. In fact, story after story plays out *just* like yours does. I did this exactly when I discovered the boards, and have suggested in PM to others that they do this very same thing! So helpful. Also in this case, Googling "discard" in relationships, maybe even narcissist discard, would be helpful.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 26, 2019 19:59:34 GMT
Can dealing with a FA bring out more anger/anxiousness in us during the relationship? At the beginning of the relationship I felt calm and secure. Yes, getting less secure and swinging more anxious is a completely normal response to dealing with someone more avoidant than you or someone with a personality disorder. If you endure abuse long enough, it can even shift a secure attachment style to an insecure one (though if you're starting very secure, this is more rare because you'd choose to leave before it got to that point).
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Post by lostinlove on Dec 26, 2019 20:21:54 GMT
There was definitely a lot of tears, which seemed to really "stress" him out. And he constantly used the phrase "tomorrow is a new day". Like let's not talk about this, go to bed or go away, everything will be OK, tomorrow is a new day.
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Post by lostinlove on Dec 26, 2019 20:26:38 GMT
Sorry, lots of questions because I'm trying to understand this, and I'm getting there, thanks to all you guys!
Is it "normal" for them to show some emotion? He would sometimes seem to get super overwhelmed and even cry. But asking me to get away, shut up, or leave him alone.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 26, 2019 20:33:30 GMT
Sorry, lots of questions because I'm trying to understand this, and I'm getting there, thanks to all you guys! Is it "normal" for them to show some emotion? He would sometimes seem to get super overwhelmed and even cry. But asking me to get away, shut up, or leave him alone. He is human. Humans usually show emotions. How did it make you feel to have your emotions invalidated?
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