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Post by faithopelove on Dec 28, 2019 23:57:42 GMT
Its obvious he seems avoidant, but do you think he shows signs of narcissism? Can someone also explain this to me... when we broke up, he gave me $500. Told me to use it towards food I already purchased for us at the house and ate, and also put some towards living expenses for the next month, since he kicked me out so fast. When I was moving, I took some of the food, but also left some for him. Anyways, he eventually packed ALL of the food, everything, and sent it to my home with a friend of ours with the rest of my stuff. Also, I recently found out he took the two kittens he got from his parents while we were together, back to their house. And got two different ones. It seems like he is doing these things to get rid of every single thought, reminder, or trace of me. I don't get it, or even understand where damaged this guy so bad. I actually poured my heart out to him, but he seems incredibly angry at me for some reason, but never did explain anything or talked to me after the breakup. Other than "we will have a second chance come day, when I'm ready", then a week later "I never want to be friends, hangout, or ever date you again" I dont understand at all. The worst thing I can think of that I did that possibly "broke" and "ruined" him was my Facebook status that said its "sad to see the man you love walk out of your life" and some of my friends replied some mean stuff about him. And possibly begging for him back. I was so damn broken when he dumped me. It literally hurt like hell, and my strong emotions I didnt even know I had definitely came out. lostinlove - It would only be speculation to guess at the reasons for your ex’s actions. Maybe he was tying to get rid of all reminders of you, but maybe there’s a different explanation. It’s hard to read minds, harder yet when one has layers of emotional and psychological issues. I know you are hurting and want to make it work, but he told you in very clear terms that he doesn’t want to make it work with you. I know that’s hard to accept based on some of his former plans with you and promises he made, but you must respect his decision now to not be with you and recognize the instability he brings with words and actions that don’t align. If he loved you he could stay and make it work. What I’m advising and many others on the boards is that you work on yourself and question why you would accept and even try to reconcile with a person who treats you poorly and with contempt. I’m not trying to be insensitive to your pain, but ruminating over him and second guessing his motives and your actions will bring more pain. Your FB post was nothing more than you voicing your frustration and pain. If he’s angry at your friends’ comments it’s bc he’s ashamed and mad that others know of his unstable behavior. Let him go and work on building a better life for yourself. This man is a painful dead end. Think of your goals and your needs. Would he be a good partner in obtaining your shared goals? Does he care about your needs? Do what you need to do to get him out of your system- then move forward. It will get better from here.
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Post by lostinlove on Dec 29, 2019 1:19:51 GMT
The relationship started off really well. Good communication, lots of time spent together, lots of respect for each other, etc. Then 3-4 months in is when all this started. Is this common?
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Post by alexandra on Dec 29, 2019 1:31:25 GMT
I don't know if he's a narcissist, but the link offers details about why someone may bad mouth you to others and bend the truth (and likely believe the distorted version). BPD can also do the same if they've split someone black. The article also gives good insight at the end about how to handle it to make it a bit less painful for yourself.
Yes, 3-4 months is often when the hormones calm and the real personality of the person shines through, and avoidants can start pulling away, personality disordered behavior starts showing as they want to control longer-term situations, anxious people can start freaking out and smothering. You can't recapture the beginning because it was a fantasy. What happened afterwards is the reality of the person and the real relationship. Someone said he future-faked you. You even said he probably said some things to avoid conflict. You're struggling to keep an illusion of who you wanted your ex to be in your grasp and hoping to recreate it.
He may also be autistic, but I have autistic friends who won't shut down and avoid if a neurotypical person directly tells them after the fact that they've done something to upset them. If the autistic person can logically understand, they'll try to avoid doing the upsetting thing in the future. It wouldn't excuse the repetitive bad treatment and then not wanting to deal with you when you've attempted to tell him what's wrong. It makes it harder to communicate because autistic people can't read social cues, but that doesn't mean they can't connect with you at all unless they're severely on the spectrum and not highly functional. I'm not an expert, but that's been my experience.
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Post by mrob on Dec 29, 2019 15:47:28 GMT
I don’t buy that this man is anything other than an FA hurriedly deactivating. I still think only half the story is here, but it’s coming out in dribs and drabs. APs in full flight are really scary to FAs, or this FA, anyway. If anyone looks like they have no respect for my human sovereignty, this includes trying to think for me, trying to change me, I run the other way. That will never happen in my life again.
As an FA, if I’m triggered avoidant, what makes an AP want to come closer will push me away, and the reverse. That may give you an idea of what is going on.
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Post by lostinlove on Dec 29, 2019 16:09:04 GMT
I was reading some of our old text logs this morning, and when I started to feel "devalued" I told him I would leave because he deserved better, and he actually begged me to stay because "we can and will make this work". But then it seemed like anytime he wanted he could say he "wanted out" and I begged him to stay and he would come back.
Ughhhh.
mrob - what do you think is missing? I sat and put a lot of time and effort into writing that all up so I could get the best advice possible. As more comes to mind I add it and am completely honest, because I want honest answers. I'm hurting and I truly feel like the biggest screw up and the sole reason we are not together anymore. Its so painful.
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Post by lostinlove on Dec 29, 2019 16:23:35 GMT
Unfortunately until I was out of the relationship and got totally blindsided in the final break up, and completely shut out immediately, I didnt realize what a FA/DA avoidant attachment was, or the anxious-avoidant "trap" was. I figured maybe he was narcissist, emotionally unavailable, etc. But he never truly "fit" those, but once I learned what FA/DA is, and have been reading threads, articles, and watching YouTube videos, I am finally able to say "yep, this seems it".
I wish I would of known in the relationship and could have put more into it or done more for him or us. I truly was not understanding and would get mad when he took away intimacy, or would kick me out, or would say he really wanted out. I knew something wasnt right, but I always gave him the benefit of the doubt.
I should of reached out or learned more before I got dumped like this and avoided for life by this guy. We were so compatible in so many ways. We had so much fun together. Enjoyed all the same interests. He told me for months, every day by text that he loved me, unless he was mad at me or we were temporarily separated. Then he didnt love me.
I really feel like deep down we could make this work and its driving me nuts that he never wants anything to do with me again. Ever. We had so much compatibility, it was ONlY when conflict or anything stressful came up that he struggled. I "burned" and "broke" him. So now he wont talk to me or anything. I truly believe there was a misunderstanding somewhere or something. I seriously want to write him at 30 days NC and tell him how this was all a misunderstanding, etc. As far as I know he wasnt aware he was an avoidant until I told him in an email I had learned about this and believed it was our problem.
I failed us in so many ways it seems. I never wanted to hurt anyone like I seemed to him, but he wont accept any apologies from me or listen to my side or anything. It hurts so so much :-(
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Post by addict on Dec 29, 2019 20:48:46 GMT
I do sympathise... Ive found it very triggering over Christmas! So much longing to go back a year and change it... Such jealousy and not feeling good enough constantly thinking about him and his new lady... It feels so lonely now... Sending hugs to you and hope you can find some peace...
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Post by nyc718 on Dec 29, 2019 22:32:54 GMT
Unfortunately until I was out of the relationship and got totally blindsided in the final break up, and completely shut out immediately, I didnt realize what a FA/DA avoidant attachment was, or the anxious-avoidant "trap" was. I figured maybe he was narcissist, emotionally unavailable, etc. But he never truly "fit" those, but once I learned what FA/DA is, and have been reading threads, articles, and watching YouTube videos, I am finally able to say "yep, this seems it". I wish I would of known in the relationship and could have put more into it or done more for him or us. I truly was not understanding and would get mad when he took away intimacy, or would kick me out, or would say he really wanted out. I knew something wasnt right, but I always gave him the benefit of the doubt. I should of reached out or learned more before I got dumped like this and avoided for life by this guy. We were so compatible in so many ways. We had so much fun together. Enjoyed all the same interests. He told me for months, every day by text that he loved me, unless he was mad at me or we were temporarily separated. Then he didnt love me. I really feel like deep down we could make this work and its driving me nuts that he never wants anything to do with me again. Ever. We had so much compatibility, it was ONlY when conflict or anything stressful came up that he struggled. I "burned" and "broke" him. So now he wont talk to me or anything. I truly believe there was a misunderstanding somewhere or something. I seriously want to write him at 30 days NC and tell him how this was all a misunderstanding, etc. As far as I know he wasnt aware he was an avoidant until I told him in an email I had learned about this and believed it was our problem. I failed us in so many ways it seems. I never wanted to hurt anyone like I seemed to him, but he wont accept any apologies from me or listen to my side or anything. It hurts so so much :-( I feel sad that you seem to be taking all the blame for your relationship's demise and you aren't holding him accountable at all. If a friend told you your story, would you tell them they did all those things wrong that you are saying about yourself? I hope not. There is so much I shoulda/coulda/woulda. That is such a damaging and defeating way to speak to yourself. You do NOT hold all the responsibility for the relationship not working out. This is about so much deeper unresloved subconscious healing that needs to be done for you.
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Post by serenity on Dec 30, 2019 0:06:00 GMT
Yes, 3-4 months is often when the hormones calm and the real personality of the person shines through, and avoidants can start pulling away, personality disordered behavior starts showing as they want to control longer-term situations, anxious people can start freaking out and smothering. You can't recapture the beginning because it was a fantasy. What happened afterwards is the reality of the person and the real relationship. Someone said he future-faked you. You even said he probably said some things to avoid conflict. You're struggling to keep an illusion of who you wanted your ex to be in your grasp and hoping to recreate it. He may also be autistic, but I have autistic friends who won't shut down and avoid if a neurotypical person directly tells them after the fact that they've done something to upset them. If the autistic person can logically understand, they'll try to avoid doing the upsetting thing in the future. It wouldn't excuse the repetitive bad treatment and then not wanting to deal with you when you've attempted to tell him what's wrong. It makes it harder to communicate because autistic people can't read social cues, but that doesn't mean they can't connect with you at all unless they're severely on the spectrum and not highly functional. I'm not an expert, but that's been my experience. Good point Alexandra. I think the high functioning autism connection is very astute personally. It explains the seeming lack of empathy and shut downs when overloaded. And also the ability to empathetically connect in a genuine way at other times (especially in response to direct communication). I suppose where it all gets murky is HF autistic kids are often misunderstood and abused as kids, and their boundaries are often severely trodden on. So a partner of someone with this background is also dealing with that trauma, on top of the natural challenges of HFA and emotional expression/connection. Its heartbbreaking all round. A partner can't be expected to deal with all that, and still get their needs met. But its easy to feel for a person who is struggling in life through no fault of their own.
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Post by serenity on Dec 30, 2019 0:15:01 GMT
Unfortunately until I was out of the relationship and got totally blindsided in the final break up, and completely shut out immediately, I didnt realize what a FA/DA avoidant attachment was, or the anxious-avoidant "trap" was. I figured maybe he was narcissist, emotionally unavailable, etc. But he never truly "fit" those, but once I learned what FA/DA is, and have been reading threads, articles, and watching YouTube videos, I am finally able to say "yep, this seems it". I wish I would of known in the relationship and could have put more into it or done more for him or us. I truly was not understanding and would get mad when he took away intimacy, or would kick me out, or would say he really wanted out. I knew something wasnt right, but I always gave him the benefit of the doubt. I should of reached out or learned more before I got dumped like this and avoided for life by this guy. We were so compatible in so many ways. We had so much fun together. Enjoyed all the same interests. He told me for months, every day by text that he loved me, unless he was mad at me or we were temporarily separated. Then he didnt love me. I really feel like deep down we could make this work and its driving me nuts that he never wants anything to do with me again. Ever. We had so much compatibility, it was ONlY when conflict or anything stressful came up that he struggled. I "burned" and "broke" him. So now he wont talk to me or anything. I truly believe there was a misunderstanding somewhere or something. I seriously want to write him at 30 days NC and tell him how this was all a misunderstanding, etc. As far as I know he wasnt aware he was an avoidant until I told him in an email I had learned about this and believed it was our problem. I failed us in so many ways it seems. I never wanted to hurt anyone like I seemed to him, but he wont accept any apologies from me or listen to my side or anything. It hurts so so much :-( Honey You didn't fail anyone. You were a good partner and you had a great impact his life, like his friends said. His strange behaviour and sudden disconnections left you feeling confused and desperate, which from everything I've read, is a normal response to the sudden unexplainable loss of a loved one. You could have learned to deal with your heart break in solitude, to make things `better' for him. But this wouldn't stop the hurt, and it wouldn't stop him from continuing to disconnect in various ways. His behaviour had nothing to do with you and was his to control or not control. Guys like him need mental health support and friends. Any woman who gets involved with him has, and will, be deprived of her basic relationship needs, in his present condition. The holidays make grieving so awful, i know. Keep your distance, keep reading back on the stories on the FA and DA forums here. In a few weeks you will start to feel better, I promise. You can't change a guy like that. It was never your fault.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 30, 2019 0:17:00 GMT
I do agree with mrob though... all that seems really apparent is this man has an avoidant attachment style and is overall a terrible choice for long-term romantic partnership based on his behavior. lostinlove, another point to consider discussing with your therapist. You want to "rescue" others, even if it requires self-sacrifice to the point of self-destruction. There is likely a direct connection with your mother's illness and passing, and possibly with your dynamics with your parents when you were much younger than that.
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Post by serenity on Dec 30, 2019 0:57:57 GMT
I do agree with mrob though... all that seems really apparent is this man has an avoidant attachment style and is overall a terrible choice for long-term romantic partnership based on his behavior. lostinlove , another point to consider discussing with your therapist. You want to "rescue" others, even if it requires self-sacrifice to the point of self-destruction. There is likely a direct connection with your mother's illness and passing, and possibly with your dynamics with your parents when you were much younger than that. Exactly, therapists are best equipped to deal with mental health diagnoses and issues. Our role as partners is to get our love and connection needs met, reciprocate, and honor ourselves.
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Post by lostinlove on Dec 30, 2019 2:45:06 GMT
I'm just so down because I've been reading back on our text message logs today, trying to rationalize this I guess. I do need to give him more credit, he did tell me alot that he loved me. Although this is where words don't mean actions. He would want out so bad when we were having issues, then would say in text he really wanted to make it work, because I was worth it. He held so many grudges and so much resentment for days though sometimes. Sometimes I would almost "freak out" in my messages if he was ignoring me or giving me silent treatment.
I also see I told him a lot that the relationship seemed so one sided. He would come to my dr appointments, or even my ER visit when I broke my thumb. Basically when or if it was convenient to him though it seemed like. Otherwise he seemed to find excuses for alot of things. I even asked him once why he seemed to have an excuse to always get out of things. He just didnt seem to always show his love. But I feel if he truly did love me, he wouldnt be so flaky on his always "wanting out" when there was conflict. A lot of his messages to me when we had conflict were "I just need time away from you" or and "I need lots of space, that's the way I work through things". Sometimes he would even say "just go to bed, tomorrow is a new day and everything will be fine" - not wanting to talk through our problems.
I know I do discredit him alot, but I do praise him for trying sometimes it seemed like. He was there when he could be, he told me alot that he did love me, he used to teach me things at the farm or when building his house, some days if the weather was really crappy he would drive me into work. He seemed to truly care about me in some ways. It was literally just the way he handled conflict, stress or difficult situations.
Another thing I thought of though, one day when the weather was super bad out (snow & ice and I had a 20min drive early in the AM) I said "do you like want me to text you or anything so you know I made it safe?" He replied saying "no, I'll be sleeping anyways, you'll be fine just be careful and drive slow" I was like "oh ok, I thought people did that" and he replied "I dont because I dont expect people to do it for me, so I dont bother other people with it". What? Lol. After that he started doing it sometimes. But if he drove me and it was a bad day, HE would text me when he made it home safe. Odd. 🤷♀️
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Post by faithopelove on Dec 30, 2019 15:00:39 GMT
If he’s FA he’ll likely cycle back in time; however, nothing would have changed and you’ll find yourself in the same push/pull dynamic. You’re not looking at this objectively and taking all the blame for yourself- to a delusional extent. You should stop reading the old messages- they only feed your AP rumination.
I advise you to date no one and work on you- not bc this failed relationship was your fault but bc the way you are reacting to the break and viewing everything with an AP perspective show you have work to do on you. You will know when the right guy comes along. For one thing, he stays.
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Post by whales123 on Dec 30, 2019 16:06:56 GMT
The relationship started off really well. Good communication, lots of time spent together, lots of respect for each other, etc. Then 3-4 months in is when all this started. Is this common? Yes. I'll write my story maybe tomorrow.
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