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Post by cherrycola on Jan 21, 2024 0:57:27 GMT
Re-read "living with the passive-aggressive man" to remind myself it isn't me. He sent me another text that just read "sorry" and I did not have it in me to reply. I guess I was hoping the next text would give me more clarity. I do feel like I need to say something, but nothing feels right. So for now, the silence is saying what it needs to say. This ending feels wrong, but I don't know what ending would feel better. The last few years I felt like our story was not done, running into him randomly in a strange city, just confirmed that to me. But now I am not sure. I guess I hoped we would find some sort of stable orbit this time, somewhere luke-warm, maybe even friendly. But he doesn't want that, or maybe just isn't capable of it. Because someone who blows so freaking hot when he wants me, and ice cold when he is done, is not someone I want in my life.
I had to remind myself of how when we were catching up and I told him I traveled all over the last little while and listed off all the places, he had zero curiosity about my trips or what sparked me to travel so much. The only thing he was curious about was who had I been dating / sleeping with and couldn't fathom valuing other things over that.
I am in such a major life transition with starting to start a brand new and much harder role at work. I am clearing out a bedroom to get a roommate to help with bills. I am forging a new friend group. I let Mr. AP back into my life in baby steps. It might be selfish but there are a lot of social opportunities that come with him, he has a large and varied friend group that I quite missed.
It feels like Mr. Situationship come back and set off an emotional bomb. I am left to finally face all these feelings about...well.. everything. I am left once again wanting to run away from my life. Sell my things, quit my job and move. Where Mr. Situationship lives, is actually where I want to go. Life is much more affordable there, I could be mortgage free and find a new job, an entirely different dating pool. But that seems daunting and not something I am capable of. Yet I was once, I dropped my life and moved to a strange town and started over. It didn't kill me.
edit: Also grappling with what this says about my own emotional availability. And shortcuts I am using to get my needs met. I want a loving committed relationship with hopefully a family of my own but I am settling for crumbs because that is what is far more comfortable, and easier for me.
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Post by cherrycola on Jan 22, 2024 18:17:16 GMT
I wanted to at least acknowledge his apology. But I am not able to. Just thinking about replying my body goes tense and says nope. Not safe, don't do it. If you show this person any more vulnerability it won't matter or change anything. You already showed him enough, you are dumb for what you showed him. There is also this wanting to be correct? in what I say to him. Like what am I actually feeling. Our entire relating has been him doing something that in isolation is minor, but cumulatively starts to be shitty/flakey. Then I react in a way that seems out of proportion with the thing in front of me. But if you look at the whole, probably isn't. So I want to communicate what the actual heart of the issue, is. But what is the heart of the issue? Either way, I want to be the brave vulnerable person that shares my truth, in a non-triggered, secure way.
Maybe I am also afraid of this being the end, or not the end. It's such a weird open way to leave things. But us FA HATE endings more then we hate ambiguity.
I don't let many people into my touch bubble. It actually makes dating very hard. I can be so engaging and present but the second they go to touch me, my body gives me away by flinching or pulling away. In fact the very last date I went on, the touching was the #1 turn off I had. So it's a very odd thing, to feel so physically safe with someone and yet so mentally unsafe. He doesn't remind me of either of my parents directly, but I guess imprints don't need to be conscious. My mother was physically abusive, but I don't have those memories. The memories I have are of her gently brushing my hair and singing me to sleep. That was the most "safe" I ever felt in my childhood. I kept my thoughts/feelings to myself. I love being creative, but I refused to do art after a while because even that felt too vulnerable. I don't normally share any of my writing with people, I hate being perceived.
I feel like stomping my feet and going not fair! So I am trying to honor and validate, that I am reacting this way for a reason, even if I am not 100% sure why. Is it the games we are playing? I recognize them, but they are also different. I feel like I need to understand this to move on, one way or another.
He doesn't strike me as a classic narcissist, but a friend called him that. He said Mr. Situationship is more of your classic grandiose and Mr. AP is more of your vulnerable. So I can see Mr. AP for who he is, and extract myself out of the games. Is Mr. Situationship out playing me? My counsellor once said when you have a history of abuse, your Spidey sense will go off fast then others. OR is my brain just painting him this way because of my past?
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Post by alexandra on Jan 22, 2024 19:09:49 GMT
"If you show this person any more vulnerability it won't matter or change anything. You already showed him enough, you are dumb for what you showed him."
You can be correct that showing him any more vulnerability won't matter or change anything, because I don't think it will, without being dumb at any point for having tried before. It sounds like you've tried and tried and have learned more and more data from him that he's emotionally unsafe and won't respond to your vulnerability in a healthy way. You can't expect that relating to someone dysfunctional and unsafe in a way that might be vulnerable and healthy with a different person will help, even if you want it to, but that doesn't make you dumb and it doesn't mean you shouldn't be vulnerable with someone else in the future (who is not him).
There's got to be something in what you said about your mom. That you felt mentally safe with her, probably because you just had to find a way to as you were a kid, while being physically unsafe with her. That undoubtedly is connected to you feeling physically safe with someone you can't feel emotionally safe with, because of how you needed to connect to your unsafe mom, and how it influenced how you compartmentalize and deal with fear of those close to you and what feels comfortable for you.
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Post by cherrycola on Jan 22, 2024 19:38:20 GMT
Yeah, there is that AP need to say the "perfect thing" to get him to finally understand how he is hurting me, but I know from a lot of experience that never works if someone doesn't respect you to begin with. I also fear his response will be caring and promises of change, but nothing will change. Because why would it change? If I don't assert a boundary then there stands no chance of things changing. But then in trickles the fear, not wanting to actually find out that I care about him far more then he cares about me. Because I tend to just assume people don't care. I also ponder, is there enough there? and I don't know if there is. The one friendship I turned around had years of friendship underneath to support the growth we went through.
I simply can't reconcile him as someone who means any harm at all. I see all this evidence of him being a loving and caring person who is prone to anxiety and is conflict avoidant. But that means the same thing, that he is unsafe. I have guilt that I have mistrusted him the entire time I have known him. So I've always acted in this semi guarded way, I've never really shown up in the way I had hoped to.
The physical safety is even more perplexing in that normally that is the first thing to go with men. As soon as I feel unsafe I will stop wanting to be physically intimate. So all the other hallmarks of relating continue without it.
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Post by cherrycola on Jan 23, 2024 3:56:08 GMT
So I finally saw clearly, how my fear of confrontation and being abandoned was really causing me to abandon myself. Not just in continuing this cycle but in acting passive aggressively which is something I do not wish to do anymore. Plus nothing he says or does can be worse then the stories I already have in my head. I mustered all the loving kindness I could and sent him a message. I assumed the best intentions on his behalf that this was not out of malice, but that I needed to break the cycle we are stuck in that I get excited about plans, then he cancels and I pretend no big deal, or act passive aggressively towards him when he reaches out again.
Edit: he responded almost exactly how I thought he would which felt oddly like closure. He ignored the part about him repeatedly breaking plans. Defended himself in canceling once again and said I shouldn't have ignored his apology. So I apologized again for not replying (for an entire four days, he's done far worse) and archived our chat.
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Post by cherrycola on Jan 26, 2024 6:39:54 GMT
I feel so emotionally fried. Despite have the closure on it I am still sad and processing. He tried to leave the door open and I didn't have the energy. So I just left it.
I had a really hard conversation with my ex about the fact he is still co-signed on my property and his fiance does not like that. Which I was proud that we communicated and got thru it to a mutual satisfaction.
Then I had a huge blow out with Mr. Ap when I tried to set boundaries. I asked him for space and I'm just so done trying. I missed the friendship but I can't handle the rest of it. It feels like people from my past are haunting me. Like I have not made any progress at all in the last few years.
But I can see the progress because I set boundaries and I'm clear with people. I am taking time to feel my feelings and grieve. It's just really really hard.
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Post by sunrisequest on Jan 27, 2024 4:45:43 GMT
It sounds to me like you have shown up for yourself in all of these situations, and the associated feelings of being a bit drained are totally par for the course. It's not easy setting boundaries and having the tough conversations. And although it took you a while to respond to his message, you eventually did, and you did it in a way that reflected your secure self. Something to be proud of for sure. It can take time to access that part of ourselves in certain situations, and I think it's good to congratulate yourself that you got there. as I was reading along, I was kind of hoping that you would eventually reply to him and just set it straight. A lot of people recommend to me that no answer is the best answer, but sometimes it leaves so much more ambiguity that way, and the anxiety continues on both sides.
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Post by cherrycola on Jan 27, 2024 21:38:13 GMT
Thanks! your comment meant a lot to me. I am putting this all out there into the universe and then I wonder, how I sound to others. A lot of people told me his behavior warranted ghosting. And while they aren't wrong that his behavior wasn't great, I didn't want to fight disrespect with disrespect. It does also leave ambiguity and our relationship had already been so full of it.
But with all that, I really struggled with how to show up for myself that wasn't slamming up a wall of a boundary, but also not sending paragraphs of emotionally loaded texts. I think I struck far more of a balance then I did in the past. I could finally see my own part in our dynamic. I really felt it was important to be honest, because it's something I've really struggled with when it comes to him. The second I got his response I did feel a tiny bit of self doubt creep in, but I ultimately know it's his lack of depth and not mine. I don't know why I was surprised he wanted to keep the door open. I overall feel just a lot calmer, I've worked through a lot of that anxiety around him and I see him more for a person. I have a counselling session tomorrow to discuss it further. I think it gives me a lot of insight into myself.
I am actually super proud of how I handled things with my ex. I was getting annoyed because I was the one who brought it up to begin with. I had asked him to have this conversation many times over the past year, so we could settle it before my back was up against a wall to renew, and he kept evading it. Which in the past I would have gotten emotional and forced him to have it. Instead I told him I recognized he was uncomfortable but I was starting to feel anxious and when could we talk. He set a date right away. He was being pretty argumentative but I remained calm and then he realized I was not his enemy and he admitted he didn't know why he was trying to fight about the house.
Mr. AP sent me 36 text messages in 24 hours. I turned off notifications and read them when I had a moment. It was an interesting experience to be on the other side of an emotional tidal wave. I replied that I had read them and would think about what he said. But that is all I had to offer him. I am further along with him because there was no hiding. I expressed my feelings pretty openly and gave him every opportunity I could and he continued the same. He is also demanding a massive emotional investment that Mr. Situationship simply does not. So if I look at the two of them in context I have Mr. AP who is demanding and time consuming and throws hissy fits vs Mr. Situationship who expects nothing from me. Shows up, asks to see me, we have a good time and he disappears into the either. Also problematic but far more appealing to my avoidant self. It allows me to get some needs met in a pretty self-contained way.
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Post by sunrisequest on Jan 28, 2024 11:56:27 GMT
Gosh, 36 messages in 24 hours - that's a lot! I can see why the avoidant approach would suit you better than the super anxious one, even as an anxious type, I think I'd probably choose the avoidant one as well, rather than someone who bombards me with demands and emotional storms. Would be nice to find someone who is a little bit more in the middle - I often think that I wouldn't mind someone who is mostly secure but leans anxious... just a little edge of madness to keep things interesting.
The amount of times you get tested and have to set a boundary with certain people will show you whether they're right for your life of not - I reckon you'll just get tired of it and know what to do naturally. But I guess the key is, keep showing up for yourself in each and every scenario you can, keep flexing that boundary muscle, and see where it takes you. That was actually my litmus in my last relationship, which I was a bit confused about for some time.... I figured if I kept showing up for myself and not being afraid to state my needs and set boundaries in every possible scenario I could, I didn't need to logically analyse/figure out what to do - it would naturally resolve. And it did. My needs weren't compatible for that relationship and it didn't take long to figure it out once I committed to that process.
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Post by cherrycola on Jan 30, 2024 4:09:31 GMT
Had a great counselling session, was really surprised she wanted me to block him. That I do not owe anyone "access" to me or my time. We even explored what feelings come up for me when she suggested that. Her rational was the degree in which he triggers my inner child, it's simply not worth it. But it was good to really dig into who he is to my inner child. Something that really struck me, was her suggestion that he was attuned to me. And I instantly knew that was true. He shows up and he is so perfectly attuned, like a parent would be. That is why I feel safe. And then my child self is perplexed and abandoned all over again when he goes back to his life. A lot of these feelings I was blaming him for, are really my own abandonment issues coming to the surface. She really disapproved of how much I was intellectualizing it. But I often have to go through both the logical and the emotional matters to get to the other side. Once I really process the separation between me and another person, I can then show up as my adult self and let them be them and set boundaries as appropriate. And I am not sure I will ever really get out of this until I go through that process. As sunrisequest has suggested.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2024 14:24:40 GMT
I align with what she's saying, your therapist, but I'm confused about the intellectualizing part. I don't understand how to go through something without intellectualizing. Isn't that impossible? What does she want you to do instead?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2024 15:25:02 GMT
Oh wait, duh, I guess she means using logic to the exclusion of allowing and experiencing the feelings with it. I also find the application of logic very helpful in moving forward but no longer do so without delving into the emotions. Sorry to detour I was taken aback for a minute.
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 4, 2024 23:43:46 GMT
Yes, you are spot on. Her concern is I am staying logical at the expense of processing my feelings. I do appreciate being called out but it felt a bit jarring. After she said that I just sat there and went oh.. okay.. ummm... and wasn't sure what else to say. I haven't seen her for that many sessions so it felt unfair to expect me to just suddenly be better at connecting emotionally. I worked with my other counsellor over 52 sessions and she was a lot more gentle with getting me back into an emotional space.
Though I really value her inputs I feel a frustration coming off her now. That combined that she has cut her availability and it's really hard to book a session now. She explained her ADHD is making it impossible to work for herself so she is primarily working at a private clinic. While I understand that, having to book a session 3-4 weeks out isn't ideal. But it's the same feeling I get off my new friend. We hung out recently and it was this slight air of you annoy me. I can't tell if I'm crazy and making things up because of my past or I am actually picking up genuine annoyance.
In other news. I am back on bumble. I realized I am now doing things like cleaning my house instead of just dating. It scares me that much. So I am going to tiptoe back in, and it can't be worse then doing nothing at all and expecting a different outcome. Though my house has never been cleaner.
I wanted to add. It is amazing how instrument my friendships have been for my healing. I think Pete Walker talks about this. You just need "good enough" connections in your life to start the process. The common adage "relational problems can only be healed relationally" is true. But the key for me is really different types of therapy mixed with just normal good people. The therapy has allowed me to tiptoe out of my patterns and shell and these people are there for that and cheering me every step of the way. I am constantly afraid of somehow completely mucking them up, because I have no clue how to be a good friend. Yet something I am doing is working? Obviously? I find these days I am able to stay connected longer with less periods of dissociation.
And of course journaling, which I primarily do here. Helpful to get feedback on things I maybe haven't really fully processed yet.
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 5, 2024 0:14:04 GMT
What started out as an innocent post on social media about a cute scene of a man and his kids picking out flowers for mom at Costco, ended up with me receiving something like 100 text messages in 24 hours.
The day after making this post, I received a flower arrangement, no name on the card. I asked the obvious people and then when they had no clue who sent it, I posted a generic thank you with a photo. Later that day Mr. AP reached out and asked if I got my flowers, I said yes they made my day. I went about my day and then later that night he started to flood me with texts that I couldn't even be bothered to call him and he was just trying to show me appreciation and listen, and on and on. As intriguing as it is, to watch someone with such anxious behavior, it also felt TERRIBLE. I felt a bit bad about not calling, but I think if this was any of my other friends, who chose to send them anonymously, how I thanked them would be sufficient.
I am proud that I didn't let him hook me back in. I clearly communicated my feelings and then disengaged. Waking up to another 14 text messages. I don't block people easily, but wow. It is really getting there and it's just fascinating that someone in their 40s can be like this. And just enlightening that if someone doesn't want to listen, nothing you have to say matters.
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 9, 2024 20:47:26 GMT
So far this dating experience has been very different from my last. I was very intentional in my profile that I value connection and vulnerability. One guy fell away when I wasn't open to chatting 24/7. Tried to keep things light and flirty and was pleasantly surprised when the men were the ones to bring up the what are you looking for in a partner type questions. 3 men acted with assertiveness and set a date/time/venue after enough chatting to get the general vibe. The only challenge of course will be the kids question. In the past "open to children" usually turned out to be in 5 years, not now. Not sure if that is 3rd? date material.
I will say I am much more grounded and enjoying myself more. I am also just impressed with the caliber of matches I am keeping around. I haven't had a single low ball come hang out or man getting overly sexual with me.
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