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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2024 16:03:44 GMT
cherrycola how many dates have you been on with the guy you're interested in? Just two. We have a third one on Saturday but then lastnight he texted me at 6, I was busy and responded at 8. I haven't gotten a response yet. And now I'm feeling triggerd, because it's not his pattern. And then I went down a rabbit hole of ...who is he with. Did he find someone else.. and even if he didn't.. Is he even going to show up on Saturday.. is this what it's going to be like dating him. Left hanging a lot. And in the scheme of things it's not important, I was just looking forward to exchanging a few texts and didn't get them. But also this is his best. With ADHD when things are new and you have dopamine ... This is the best I can expect probably. You are way too far ahead... it takes time for people to unfold, you know this if you have enjoyed Natalie Lue's Baggage Reclaim. I am meaning to caution you, not shame you. This level of emotional investment in you is a red flag and will cause you harm if not addressed.
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 16, 2024 16:04:46 GMT
Just two. We have a third one on Saturday but then lastnight he texted me at 6, I was busy and responded at 8. I haven't gotten a response yet. And now I'm feeling triggerd, because it's not his pattern. And then I went down a rabbit hole of ...who is he with. Did he find someone else.. and even if he didn't.. Is he even going to show up on Saturday.. is this what it's going to be like dating him. Left hanging a lot. And in the scheme of things it's not important, I was just looking forward to exchanging a few texts and didn't get them. But also this is his best. With ADHD when things are new and you have dopamine ... This is the best I can expect probably. You are way too far ahead... it takes time for people to unfold, you know this if you have enjoyed Natalie Lue's Baggage Reclaim. I am meaning to caution you, not shame you. This level of emotional investment in you is a red flag and will cause you harm if not addressed. Yeah I booked a counselling session for Sunday. I was caught off guard with all these feelings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2024 16:07:29 GMT
Great job taking care of you!!
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 16, 2024 17:08:38 GMT
Great job taking care of you!! Thank you. I think this is where MY ADHD and issues are coming into play. Because I thought that girl who felt an overwhelming amount of things towards someone died. And it was so amazing to have that woken back up, but also I need to temper that with I don't know this person.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2024 17:44:34 GMT
Great job taking care of you!! Thank you. I think this is where MY ADHD and issues are coming into play. Because I thought that girl who felt an overwhelming amount of things towards someone died. And it was so amazing to have that woken back up, but also I need to temper that with I don't know this person. Great self awareness. All this stuff is so tricky unfortunately. For the other side as well!
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 17, 2024 21:16:58 GMT
So he let me know last night that he had a really rough week and he actually had to put his phone down after work and chill out for a few hours. Even though I had felt a bit anxious waiting to confirm our plans today, I really appreciated him letting me in on that, and his ability to take time to himself, even if it meant I had to wait. It felt like a green flag, someone more avoidant wouldn't bother to explain. Though someone more secure may have let me know first? I also get we don't know each other well, so what he did felt fine. He is in a fairly new role at work, so I understand the pressures that go with that. I appreciate that he is still filling up his calendar with friends and appointments. He actually had to run off after our date for a car appointment. Somehow he is more functional with appointments then I am?!?
We had brunch today, he accidentally double booked me with a gym appointment which he moved so he could keep our plans. He was late and I caught him running. But I planned for that with my own timing. I don't actually know how I overcame my own time blindness, so I really can't fault him for that. He expressed that he doesn't sleep around casually. I feel very safe with how he is progressing the physical intimacy. I feel wanted but respected. He said that this week was unusual and now he has more time to plan things. So before we ended, we setup a day trip for Monday. We exchanged I like yous and wanting to get to know each other better.
When I first sat down at brunch my brain panicked because I felt no attraction to him anymore, and then I realized no, I like him as a person, but the anxiety was gone.
I did Yoga this morning to stay regulated, and have been listening to baggage reclaim. Trying to ratchet down that anxiety, been gathering my amber flags. I know he has or is taking mood drugs. I suspect he has been or is in counselling. He went through a very messy family of origin with cheating and has a strained relationship with his father. His ADHD makes him absent minded and forgetful. He lost his wallet this week, and even his car (I've done that). He will always be chronically late. He struggles with perfectionism, amount unknown.
Edit: I think I'm actually feeling odd at the lack of over sharing it. I don't feel a need to do it with him. Conversation just flows from topic to topic and we don't go into any one thing too deep. And then I'm like .. this is good right? We shouldn't have a huge amount of depth this soon. Just basic compatibility.
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 19, 2024 2:09:21 GMT
Had a great counselling session and she let me know that this "intensity" from her experience is a pretty normal part of ADHD dating. She felt I was doing a pretty good job of taking care of myself and to just listen to my intuition and let it guide me. We explored my anxiety around the texting but she did say, but doesn't think it's going anywhere fast. But it also doesn't mean this is the wrong relationship for me. He is showing up, and there are a lot of green flags. So as long as there continue to be, just do my best to deal with the anxiety, and not run away from the potential. I've had a lot of grief come up over the past few days, because I dearly miss my grandfather. He was pure love for me and protected me, even from my own mom. He always told her to do better. and I think just having potential with someone kind has really brought up those feelings of being alone all these years.
We also talked about all these insecure men I dated who used texting to build up false intimacy, but it was just that. That someone who values and makes time to see me in person is worth far more then someone who texts a lot.
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 19, 2024 8:29:51 GMT
Found my red flag. I reached out at 6 to confirm our plans tomorrow, then I reached out again at 10 to say I'd love to know before bed. He finally reached back out to cancel on me for work. It is funny because I had this weird gut feeling that date was too fast, and it made me feel a bit panicky... but I worked thru that. Then I didn't hear back from him, I knew it was coming, but it was still a shock, so just said okay. He sent me a longer message saying it is a weird time in his life and he really does want to get to know me. And he hopes he can see me again later in the week.
So A+ intuition, anxiety was founded in a way. Not sure 100% how I feel about this. I can't tell if he is making excuses to cover an inability to communicate a boundary, or if he is sincere that his inability to stay organized is causing him to put in extra hours. But I can tell he isn't secure, because someone secure would have told me way earlier in the day, even if they just suspected it. So I am going to take an emotional step back. I really need more consistency then someone who reschedules 3 out of 4 dates. So time to slow it down, and let him show me he can show up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2024 12:56:54 GMT
Found my red flag. I reached out at 6 to confirm our plans tomorrow, then I reached out again at 10 to say I'd love to know before bed. He finally reached back out to cancel on me for work. It is funny because I had this weird gut feeling that date was too fast, and it made me feel a bit panicky... but I worked thru that. Then I didn't hear back from him, I knew it was coming, but it was still a shock, so just said okay. He sent me a longer message saying it is a weird time in his life and he really does want to get to know me. And he hopes he can see me again later in the week. So A+ intuition, anxiety was founded in a way. Not sure 100% how I feel about this. I can't tell if he is making excuses to cover an inability to communicate a boundary, or if he is sincere that his inability to stay organized is causing him to put in extra hours. But I can tell he isn't secure, because someone secure would have told me way earlier in the day, even if they just suspected it. So I am going to take an emotional step back. I really need more consistency then someone who reschedules 3 out of 4 dates. So time to slow it down, and let him show me he can show up. You may be conflating adhd and insecurity .. I'd totally expect adhd to play a huge part here. Either way though, not fun.
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Post by iz42 on Feb 19, 2024 17:45:10 GMT
The “it’s a weird time in my life” part would make me think this is something more than ADHD going on. Hard to know exactly what though.
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 19, 2024 17:56:26 GMT
It's hard to tease apart. I have ADHD, my sister has ADHD, at least one of my friends has ADHD, and none of us cancel repeatedly. Ever. Anytime I cancel on someone I almost immediately offer them an alternative to show I value them. I talked to a friend who has a lot of friends in this profession and he said yeah, corporate accountants work a lot, and can be hard to reach. If he is newer then he may have to put in a lot of hours. But he had all of Sunday to pickup any slack, knowing we had plans today. He also could have done a change of plans to later and kept the day. I actually thought that was what he wad doing at first, because he said he wouldn't be available "during the day" but then he changed it to "see you again this week".
I think I was acting a bit insecure myself but when I got his second text I ignored it and went to bed, because I was at a loss for words. I replied this morning with a joke, because I still don't know what to say. It's really something I need to feel out over a phone call or in person, because it's not something I can just ignore at this point, especially due to the last second nature. I guess what I really want is for him to make this up to me, by actions. But I am not sure what that looks like yet.
Said friend suggested a boundary of I need consistency in my life so please take whatever time you need to figure that out and then let me know. It feels like a little bit much at this point, but I'll keep it in my back pocket.
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 19, 2024 18:01:25 GMT
The “it’s a weird time in my life” part would make me think this is something more than ADHD going on. Hard to know exactly what though. Yes, it's hard to know. He was really stressed out last week because this is a new career and he is still trying to get his final accreditation. But then he got out of the probation period on Friday and things were lightening up. He made a point of telling me he would have more time for me this week. I know his minimum work hours is much higher than mine, and he routinely works thru lunch. I can not imagine having ADHD and trying to do that type of job, not sure I could handle it.
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Post by alexandra on Feb 19, 2024 19:10:08 GMT
I've worked in places where certain departments had totally unpredictable schedules and their employees needed to cancel evening plans last minute all the time. The thing to consider is, people who choose the lifestyle of these careers either: have weak boundaries around self so can't say no and stay in jobs like this because they're okay with it being normalized, and/or prioritize work/money ahead of relationships / family at home (whether that's temporary because they're trying to build their resume, or because that's just what they value). So if you are looking for someone who can and wants to be consistently available and serious, don't make excuses about ADHD and demands of his job. See those two things as, here's what a relationship with him would look like, here are his values and priorities, can I accept and live with that? That's the point of getting to know each other over early dating, after all, to learn this stuff. He is at a point where he doesn't owe you anything yet and should still prioritize his new job but there's still a way to do that without letting them bleed into each other and interfering with building a new connection. Him having trouble balancing that either shows he's not in a good place to be seriously dating right now, or his ADHD manifests in this way and someone dating him will need to be happy with being independent and having an unpredictable schedule.
I wouldn't say this if it happened once, or it happened occasionally, but in only a few dates it's already happened the majority of the time. So I don't doubt that he likes you, but this is probably simply what dating him looks like, for anyone. The only spot insecurity comes in is if you're hoping it'll change if you stick it out and if you're compromising what you want to stick around for someone you barely know.
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 19, 2024 19:36:49 GMT
Thanks alexandra I completely agree there is a way he could have handled today that would have felt a lot better then how he did. Being inconsiderate is completely separate from being ADHD. I really do question if he should be dating right now. I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that he really didn't see this upheaval coming, and maybe there is something else going on re mental health that he of course wouldn't share because we are so new. What is different this time, is I know it isn't me. It's stomped all over some old wounding, but I know through my core I couldn't have showed up any differently. I am just trying to continue to act from a stable secure place, in how I relate back to this instability. I am a pretty independent person, and with most friends plans tend to be very lose. So I don't even mind that so much, but I do mind getting excited about something and then the last minute letdown. Probably why I don't tend to make specific plans with people. I do mind that his last text message didn't feel like enough, considering how many times he cancelled. Sending me a kiss emoji at the end of it felt cheap. I mind that I haven't heard from him this morning when previously he would check in every morning. I am trying to not second guess my route of going with a joke instead of seriously addressing what he said.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2024 2:23:54 GMT
This is a whole lot of drama and chaos for early dating, or any dating at all! What has his presence introduced to your life other than anxiety, uncertainty, and disappointment? He's giving you attention but he's a mess.
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