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Post by cherrycola on Feb 20, 2024 3:01:18 GMT
It is a lot of drama, but I do feel a lot of this is coming from me, internally. Which is interesting to watch.
I wanted someone who doesn't text a lot in early days, and I got that, yet it triggered me all over and I am examining that. There was definitely this feeling of, why aren't you available to me? you asked me a question and then you disappeared! And I probably could have expressed curiosity to him about his texting style. It was my inner child protesting. I think I have had a lot of men use texting to artificially create a connection that wasn't there? that wasn't backed up by reality.
I also felt anxiety over the pacing of physical intimacy, which is crazy. Men rush it all the time, but again it made me feel insecure that he wasn't doing this. He did show me his attraction to me, but it was very slow paced.
Then there was the insecurity and fear I felt over dating someone who was on a level playing field re emotional intelligence.
And then there was the legit reaction I had to his flakiness. I still seem to get quite worked up and then instead of expressing curiosity, I knee jerk, even when it isn't warranted. I was so annoyed by the time he texted last night I lost any goodwill towards him.
I'm back on bumble and chatting with other men and just trying to move on. It feels sad, but I do feel like this is most likely not salvageable. That bubble has burst and in those early days you do need some sort of something to stick you together. It's easy to lose momentum with such a delicate connection.
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Post by mrob on Feb 20, 2024 4:47:52 GMT
I’ve been sitting on my hands here. It’s incredible to watch. You’re doing in weeks what took me years, and I’m not sure whether that’s better or worse. The result has to be good, but the emotional roller coaster is quite something else.
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 20, 2024 6:29:35 GMT
I’ve been sitting on my hands here. It’s incredible to watch. You’re doing in weeks what took me years, and I’m not sure whether that’s better or worse. The result has to be good, but the emotional roller coaster is quite something else. I don't know if I would view it that way. I left my long term partner late 2019 and I have had no significant relationships in that time. I was also privileged to land in a weekly counselling program with a trauma informed counsellor. It's taken a very long way to get to this point and obviously I'm still a work in progress. I came to the realization tonight this feels a lot like breadcrumbing to me.
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Post by mrob on Feb 20, 2024 8:53:01 GMT
I know when I could see others behaviour for what it is in an attachment context, it was like a light was switched on. Everything suddenly made sense. People would give themselves away in the first few mins on a date, and it was unbelievably accurate! I suppose what was getting at is that you’ve been able to see people’s attachment style in a series of dates, and when typing this out I realise it’s a case of sour grapes on my part. Goodness, that’s ugly, I’m sorry.
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Post by sunrisequest on Feb 20, 2024 11:07:05 GMT
He seems to be very consistent with his inconsistency... I just don't think that's good enough in the early stages of dating. Everyone's time and energy is precious, and if he's this all over the place straight away, I can't imagine it would get a lot better as you went along... unless he had a truly legitimate reason, but even if he did, the restraint to pull out of the situation until you did have capacity would be a lot more respectful than continuing to waste someone's time. Yes, perhaps some breadcrumbing.. he's definitely not fully available at the moment... whatever it is, it is sad and disappointing... getting back on the apps sounds like a good decision for you at this moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2024 13:53:02 GMT
Nobody deserves the benefit of the doubt when a pattern like this develops in literally the first 3 dates. Really! It doesn't mean he's a bad guy, it doesn't mean anything other than he doesn't show up when he says he will, and the reasons are inconsequential, as far as you're concerned... that's his to figure out. If you know you need courtesy, reliability and consistency, (and you do, we all do)... but in the first three dates he demonstrates the opposite, he's a bad fit, end of. No attraction or interest cultivated this early should outweigh his inability to show up WHILE ATTEMPTING COURT YOU. No second chances are needed! He is a grown man responsible for managing his time and if he has issues with that,he can work that out eventually. I agree with your friend, have a standard, set the standard. Uphold the standard, and release him because he doesn't meet it. End of. He's just a guy, he's not so special you need to accommodate his lack of basic dating etiquette. Just. Say. No.
If he wants to get past his weird time of life and develop some basic dating skills, that can be on his own time. It's like trying on a pair of shoes, this early dating thing. First see if the shoe even fits your foot! If not, put the thing back. Don't squeeze your poor foot into it. It will give you blisters, every time. Without fail. Do not try to walk in a shoe that doesn't fit, even if you like the shoe.
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 20, 2024 18:19:00 GMT
Thank you for all the support. I am feeling very drained and defeated. This morning saw some of the same guys from years ago, still on bumble. So now I feel like damaged goods. I asked my secure friend and he said even he is shocked that it went this way.
I don't understand dating. It goes this way a lot... I meet a guy and he is enthusiastic and I take a tiny bit to warm up but you know, not that much and then when I match it, he back peddles. It's crazy making. I would say it's not me but it has to at least partly be. Early dating is such a delicate dance, it feels like one wrong move and poof. Gone.
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Post by alexandra on Feb 20, 2024 18:32:21 GMT
If you're almost exclusively meeting guys online, then no, that doesn't mean it's you. Online dating has a higher pool of insecure people on it because it can be low effort, and the people who want healthy relationships tend to pair off and leave. However, it does mean having a thick skin while you go through the first few dates and not investing or having expectations right away, because you may need to meet a lot of people in a row who aren't emotionally available before you sort through and hit someone who is a good match. If you try to date and are disappointed by every prospect who falls apart by date 4, then yes, it's going to be very tedious and easy to start blaming yourself. If you stay open-minded and are looking to get to know someone and are only looking to see if you want a second, third, fourth date early on and not have further expectations or attachments, it makes internet dating much less frustrating (though still frustrating). Easier said than done, I know, but it gets easier with experience once you have awareness -- which, great news, you do!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2024 19:12:46 GMT
For what it's worth, I see you getting way too invested in seeing either green flags or red flags, on the first date. There is so much intensity. Your post had you struggling because there were no red flags after the FIRST DATE. And you seem to put too much weight into anything you see thats a GREEN flag. You need to slow your roll over all. Natalie Lue talks lot abou this and maybe you are connecting with that cognitively but not emotionally. There seems to be way too much at stake. So it's an intense roller coaster, and then you are ending up here, reading too much into the fact it didn't work out. You are going to need to find a way to date without all the fantasy projections. Two people can "click" in some ways without being compatible. He can check all the boxes on the first date but that's just the first date and as you know.... as Nat says... people unfold. And if they are full of holes from the beginning it's not about you, move on, dating is a numbers game.
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 21, 2024 2:33:27 GMT
@introverttemporary It definitely comes from a lack of trust in myself and my intuition. It's a topic that I've gone over a lot in therapy, my difficulty dating because I don't trust myself. So I try to do it a lot more cognitively then emotionally. Yet almost immediately after that third date my intuition also told me we were going too fast and to move that fourth date, which I didn't do.
"If it is hysterical it is historical" is something I've been pondering today. I have spent the last week in such a state of dysregulation I have been crying non stop and unable to eat. This is an extreme reaction to dating that I have never experienced before. My counsellor didn't have a lot of practical advice for me. By Monday every text I received from him made me cry. I have also been grieving my grandfather in a way I never have. I have done a lot of grief work in the last few months, so perhaps this man tripped over something that has worked itself loose. I have been spending time really attending to and nurturing my inner child.
I also ponder back to a guy I dated in early 2020, before the pandemic. It felt similar, he rushed in, said he wanted marriage, kids etc. Then during the 5th date did a 180 and said he couldn't date me anymore because I was too good for him. Then we dated casually for a bit before he ended things. At the time I wasn't as invested because I had reservations myself but the swift change in direction really threw me off balance. This time was only different because I had no reservations, but the way he texted, and was over the top enthusiastic feels similar. It did not feel entirely authentic. It was all how are you, how did you sleep, calling me gorgeous, etc., but less... organic chatting.
I feel far more grounded now, had a proper meal and had some fun flirting on bumble. When I am in my adult space I am fun and flirty and light, the second I get triggered I become serious and not able to really connect on the same level. Overthinking everything. Have a date lined up for Thursday. Despite texting me repeatedly yesterday the accountant has fallen off the map, which I expected and I am respecting. I feel oddly at peace with this. Just letting it sit. Which in the past I never would have been able to do. While I have a few regrets about not being more authentic and vulnerable, this is a him issue. I can contrast this to previous times that men have pulled this on me, and I agonized over it. So then I go back to wondering like wow, how the heck did I get triggered that badly by a guy saying he wanted to be with me, and not now that he doesn't. Is that my fear of intimacy coming up? Or was there something more subconscious at play.
I also have still been chatting with the programmer because I set him up on a blind date, which seems to have gone well. He is a very caring and sincere person. He actually asked me if I would consider going on another date with him, but I felt that would be really unfair to him. I did explain the gap in experience was a huge problem for me. So we agreed to grab coffee as friends. I had to give my head a solid shake that I even considered going on another date with him. I guess it just felt nice for what felt like authentic connection. I think maybe that date wasn't ideal both of us and my showing up distracted and dysregulated probably didn't help the poor guy who seems to really struggle with attachment. So I am glad we could connect in a low pressure, no stakes type of way.
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 25, 2024 19:01:50 GMT
1st and 2nd date with new guy went well. He is a recovering FA, and it feels a bit like I've been here before.
1st date was low key, lasted a few hours, we figured out that we have a lot in common and our brains work the same way. Near the point where it felt like a natural end psychology came up and then it was off to the races lol
A bit of texting in between, but not much. He is VERY easy to make plans with.
2nd date was wonderful, it never felt intense but I imagine from a normal dating perspective it was, it lasted a long time. We just had so much to talk about. We got a bit physical and I set a boundary around progressing things and I guess he saw my face because he was so gentle and said don't worry, we can wait I like you for you. And every time he can see me going into my head, he just gives me a little affection. It feels very tender and feels so good and reassuring
3rd date is penciled in for next week.
So now my feelings. My avoidance kicked in right after that 2nd date. We both agreed to take things slow, but it feels odd to not have someone chasing me. My brain is uncomfortable stepping forward before the other, it feels a bit like chasing, or that I am more interested than he is. Which is insane because all indications are he is just as interested. I think I've definitely done a lot more unpacking and work on my attachment but he also brings some skills I don't have to the table. There is a very open and honest dialogue between us about our thoughts and curiousity instead of making assumptions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2024 20:32:27 GMT
Every time he can see you going into your head he gives you a little affection? On the second date?
This really creeps me out no wonder you feel avoidance. Something about him interpreting you in your head and offering reassurance seems so ... enmeshed? Manipulative? It's only the second date, why is he trying to soothe you somehow? It seems the healthy thing would be to discuss discomfort and boundaries and drop it , with everyone staying in their own space and keeping it to "getting to know you", instead of reading the signs and trying to steer things to an outcome. There should be more emotional independence in this, right? Am I missing something ?
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Post by cherrycola on Feb 26, 2024 1:36:29 GMT
It didn't happen many times but it didn't feel like enmeshment. In fact the opposite. In the past men would read my contemplativeness as I was mad or upset at them. apparently my face looks quite upset if I'm feeling anxious and thought spiraling. He did neither. He gently brought me back to the present. It was just a soft, it's okay type of thing. It felt like I can see you are anxious and you can tell me or not tell me what's circling in your brain, but either way it's okay.
The spiraling is typically when I am trying to apply a skill I am not overly good at and now sure how to do it. Such as avoiding oversharing or setting a gentle boundary. I get into my head a bit and try to massage it around. But I'm not exactly subtle. He also didn't demand constant talking or anything.
Since I got so dysregulated over the accountant, I am trying really hard to listen to my body for clues.
I am eating. I am sleeping. I am spending time with friends and am fully present. We are setting dates far enough apart that I can keep up with self care, etc.
I think the thing to consider is I am an FA. We are big on not surrendering power. Even sharing what I like is hard sometimes, I have had it weaponized against me. IE I loved back scratches, would tell me ex oh this feels good, he would then instantly stop. He was unable to do anything for me that I liked. That is a very painful thing to try to undo. Even just typing that makes me feel angry, so I can tell I am still working my way thru it. I would say that in the majority of cases, I will only match what a man is putting out, never going first, ever watchful. This has lead me to dating a lot of AP / Anxious FA in the past few years. It also means that being loved bomb is really hard for me because I match it and then it turns out to be fake and it feels like a double whammy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 13:05:48 GMT
I see, it sounds like you are struggling to find authenticity in yourself due to feelings of fear and anger?
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Post by tnr9 on Feb 27, 2024 3:45:55 GMT
Good of you to get back out there….after the relationship that brought me to these boards, I decided to simply enjoy being single. My therapist commented that I have moments of loneliness which is true…it can be difficult to navigate some challenges without a partner, but I would rather remain single then chase after another unavailable man.
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