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Post by cherrycola on Mar 31, 2024 1:29:12 GMT
Find myself a bit lost tonight. I went on a week vacation and new guy and I stayed in touch I think a normal amount via text. We couldn't wait to see each other and hung out from early this AM to just now. I was started to feel really restless but also didn't know what we could do since I just got back from vacation and felt a bit burn out, and we had already had a meal out and a walk. I could tell he was getting restless too. It took a bit of coaxing to get it out of him, but we both agreed to end things there, take some time alone for the next few hours and then I would meet him at his place later tonight.
So now I am wondering, do we truly just make each other that secure? Or is this boredom not normal? We enjoy each others company immensely, but the lack of drama is really weird. He said he would stay if I truly wanted him to, but I really wanted to process my feelings. He seemed very shocked at how easily we negotiated things. Like we had no set plans, I just hate watching tv for hours on end. I always hated the endless weekends of hanging out and doing nothing parts of relationships. Like I have hobbies and sometimes the weekend is the only time I get to do them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2024 2:45:39 GMT
"Hanging out" watching TV all day would make anyone restless I think. And no, you don't just magically become secure in someone's presence. Watching TV is nothing that tests security. I notice you jump to idealizing situations if you just don't get triggered. It takes TIME to discover compatibility and how you vibe with someone, and not stationary watching TV and hanging out for hours. It takes experiencing someone in the vicissitudes of life, coming and going in in your own lifestyle, encountering and engaging and departing on a consistent basis to learn how a dynamic works.
Why are you spending hours and hours with a new guy as if you're established, especially wasting weekend time that you usually use for something else? Seems like very lazy "dating" and "discovery" to me. Totally unavailable with a deceptive mind numbing blanket of boring which while not scary, is not dating.
Just my two cents.
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Post by alexandra on Mar 31, 2024 2:48:44 GMT
I don't think this particular example has to do with security or not? It sounds like you just got back from vacation, and you probably have other stuff to catch up on and take care of as well. So you had fun with him for a few hours, now there's other stuff to take care of, and you'll see him again. You may also still be getting to know each other so it's a little early to just hang out for hours and hours not having activities in mind.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2024 2:57:04 GMT
Start as you mean to go on. If you hate hanging out all day on the weekend watching TV then why are you doing that as an introduction to a new guy? Someone is fast forwarding big time, to the meaningless time wasting hours of shallow comfort and oh, yeah... let's meet later tonight at his?
I'd recommend taking care of yourself and regrouping after your vacation and start out living like yourself and keep the first dates short so you don't get to thinking you are at some fake comfort level with a new guy you hardly know.
He is supposed to be getting to know you and here you were, comfortable doing something you hate all day with him. What's real about that? Be who you are.
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Post by cherrycola on Mar 31, 2024 19:30:15 GMT
The original plan was an event in the city and then spend the night, but then we started the day way earlier because he was excited to see me, we only got about an hour into TV before we went nope, this is ... not the mood we are in. He also just got back from time away and while he had a bit more time, he still wanted to get some things done. So being able to both acknowledge that was nice. We both said had we had actual plans it would be different but neither of us were up for them. I suggested re-convening for a later dinner because we live really close to each other.
That is what I meant by feeling secure. He was able to say I feel this expectation (probably from my exes) to spend the entire weekend with you, but right now I want to be home. And I went actually, I am also feeling this isn't working for me. I couldn't name the feeling, just restless and uncomfortable and wanting the date to end, but not because of anything specific.
After we met up again it was very obvious we were both in a FAR better headspace. He expressed feeling like he is failing because I plan the substantial amount of things, so we just chatted and figured out what works for us, and he is going to pick something for our next date. Mr. AP was a big demander of all my time on the weekend, so I think that is where I gained this expectation/fear of someone demanding all my time and attention for days on end. Like that is what's supposed to happen? When I was in my 6 month relationship we ended up spending entire weekends together pretty fast, and he wanted to just be around me all the time so I was like eh? okay I guess.
I am being triggered a lot, but not by him. He is showing up with consistency and respect. I overall enjoy time with him, but then my brain just can't handle the calm and lack of drama. I also cringe when I get overly nice texts from him because it's like who is this person and when is he going to realize I can't "perform" at that level?
Aren't we supposed to be full of hormones and all lovey dovey and wanting to spend every second together? I am not feeling that. Just here is this person I enjoy talking to, I enjoy the physical aspect and we are both communicating when we step on the others toes.
And that is where my problem lies. I am pretty eyes wide open this time around. And then I wonder, is there enough "glue" here? Do we have enough keeping us together? Do his positives out weigh his negatives? Am I sticking around because he treats me so well? Am I letting him get away with not being more intentional in dating me because of this? Or do I just truly enjoy him as a person? In some ways, this feels like the best parts of my marriage. That ease, that friendship. It's been a very long time since I've had that in my life.
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Post by iz42 on Mar 31, 2024 21:48:08 GMT
Mr. AP was a big demander of all my time on the weekend, so I think that is where I gained this expectation/fear of someone demanding all my time and attention for days on end. Like that is what's supposed to happen? When I was in my 6 month relationship we ended up spending entire weekends together pretty fast, and he wanted to just be around me all the time so I was like eh? okay I guess. This is interesting. I've been with my partner for almost 3 years and we hardly ever spend whole weekends together. We are so far on the opposite extreme that I feel weird even saying this. We meet up and do activities and then we do our own thing after that. We don't live together and never spend the night together (we're not able to sleep in the same bed) so the dynamic is different. It just usually doesn't make sense to meet up for more than a few hours at a time. We have both adjusted and are fine with this - it doesn't trigger me anxious. But in any case, I agree that it can be a red flag when someone wants so much of your time so early on. It doesn't have to be that way even further along in a relationship.
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Post by cherrycola on Apr 1, 2024 5:11:43 GMT
Mr. AP was a big demander of all my time on the weekend, so I think that is where I gained this expectation/fear of someone demanding all my time and attention for days on end. Like that is what's supposed to happen? When I was in my 6 month relationship we ended up spending entire weekends together pretty fast, and he wanted to just be around me all the time so I was like eh? okay I guess. This is interesting. I've been with my partner for almost 3 years and we hardly ever spend whole weekends together. We are so far on the opposite extreme that I feel weird even saying this. We meet up and do activities and then we do our own thing after that. We don't live together and never spend the night together (we're not able to sleep in the same bed) so the dynamic is different. It just usually doesn't make sense to meet up for more than a few hours at a time. We have both adjusted and are fine with this - it doesn't trigger me anxious. But in any case, I agree that it can be a red flag when someone wants so much of your time so early on. It doesn't have to be that way even further along in a relationship. Thank you for saying this. The only super avoidant couple I know that don't live together only spend their weekends together. But unless you are constantly doing activities I don't see a point? I think because we are also new and not defined I'm a bit weary of just being lazy and doing nothing. Like this is supposed to be when we have fun and go out! We are both anxious over thinkers so maybe I need to shake things up. But I also don't want to over function, so stepping back and being like hey I keep picking all the thigs, maybe you could pick some things and then let him either show up or fall flat is scary. I was reflecting tonight that I do think I may also be heading into a bit of a burnt out, so I don't actually have much of a desire to do any activities ^^; or even to see my friends or be social.
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Post by lovebunny on Apr 1, 2024 13:23:04 GMT
Y'know, I'm struggling with something similar, wondering if my lack of anxiety surrounding my bf of 2 months indicates a lack of interest.
This is exacerbated by something that happened this weekend. I found out two people in my friend group, both recently out of other r'ships, who have been friends with each other for years, are now a couple. The man was previously poly, but now has decided "she's the one" and is being monogamous to her. He's said everything to my friend I wished my poly ex-boyfriend had said to me, and she's all "He's everything I've ever wanted!" Part of me is sighing they're headed for doom and my whole friend group will have to choose between them, the other part of me is wondering why I'm not as head-over-heels about my new partner.
I'm with you @cherrycola that you should be doing fun, bonding activities. I personally enjoy snuggling on couch watching tv together for hours on end, but if that's not fun for you, don't do that! I got upset at one point because new guy had me over to his place where there was absolutely nothing to do at night and he didn't have a tv or board games or like, a guitar for a singalong....I have never been someone who likes to just "hang out," I don't want to sit around and make small talk. I want to be watching a movie together or eating a meal or playing a game or going for a bike ride. He, apparently, was content to just listen to music and stare at the walls (he's not even much of a talker.) From now on, we hang at my place and I make sure there's an activity on the table.
Because his work schedule has him work overnights half the week, we have taken to spending his nights off together, which means 3 nights in a row together. It can feel like a lot sometimes, but I like a lot of time with my partners and apparently so does he. I just remind myself, whenever I start to feel put-upon, I WANTED this kind of r'ship with someone who wanted to keep me close and spend a lot of time together. Plus I always know alone time is coming when he goes back to work and I won't see him for a few days.
Sorry I'm not offering much for advice, just understanding. Maybe sometimes if we're not getting the push-pull in our r'ship, we create some within ourselves?
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Post by cherrycola on Apr 3, 2024 21:42:51 GMT
lovebunny I 100% think I am creating a push/pull within myself which is what is so crazy making. In the lack of drama I am creating my own stories, and triggering myself. I debate telling him or asking for reassurance but I already know that asking for reassurance here won't even help. As an FA the only reassurance that works is when it comes from them unprompted. And I'm not sure I see a point in communicating my crazy thoughts to him if there is nothing he can actually do to help. I worry that because my story telling is so extreme and unprompted that any attempts he makes to not trigger me, are going to drive him insane or make him unauthentic. Examples of my own story telling. He never calls me, ever. Yet I hate phone calls so why do I care? Worrying that he is simply "replying" to my texts, but doesn't want to have an actual conversation. Yet he is replying near instantly, someone who doesn't want to chat... wouldn't do this. When I asked about his day he said alright and I had to push for his actual answer. But I can see how he thought his answer was boring. When I said I was looking forward to seeing him he didn't say the same thing back. He can be very sporadic, sometimes texting a ton and sometimes texting little. But he ALWAYS replies within an hour, usually far less, so I logically know these things I notice are all meaningless. But I am proud that the things that are real, where we actually miscommunicate, I can clearly articulate to him. He feels like he isn't stepping up and wanted to plan a date, and I was thrilled with that! Well he just indicated the activity he picked wasn't open, so I threw one out. He then figured out the timing, bought the tickets etc. When I showed appreciation, instead of just accepting it he said that I swooped in and took over planning the "real date" he was trying to plan. It triggered me because I felt overbearing and like well if you actually planned one then I wouldn't need to offer a suggestion! Plus you didn't need to take my suggestion, even as far as thinking are you saying the dates I plan aren't real? But once I took a breath I could totally see why he pushed back against my appreciation, and how I could have communicated my suggestion in a better way. And I know that talking this out will only lead to better communication?
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Post by cherrycola on Apr 5, 2024 17:38:05 GMT
Still spinning out, so I booked a counselling session. We had a lovely date, he mentioned he bought me a gift which should be arriving soon, he started to talk a bit about doing things in the future. All signs this person is starting to invest. Yet I feel like my brain is self sabotaging? He is so entitled to be talking about future dates but not committing to me. If he liked me he would want to spend more time with me, he would be texting me more, etc etc.
I'm trying to speak up about my needs and every time he is super responsive and caring. He said he is really burnt out from work and took some time off after the weekend so he can spend the next 5 days on his hobby. I asked if he had time to have a quick date in there, he said yes, but wasn't sure when, which instantly triggered a new story in my head. I think I feel like I am making myself small to fit into his world instead of just living my parallel life. In my mind, I would make time for a date with him, so I'm like... well then he can't like me that much. But I am free to make my own plans, to which he would understand.
My logical mind goes, if he is burnt out from work, that is 100% fair and is no reflection on me or how he feels about me and he should be welcome to that space to unwind and relax. I am happy he shared with me that he was taking time to himself and maybe I shouldn't have interjected into that. I really just need to see who this person is and if he doesn't want as much closeness as me, even if for external reasons, then I need to make my own decision about that.
I'm sick with a head cold and all my friends are wanting to see me, so I really should be focusing on myself right now. And I guess ultimately I am using this to avoid my life. I am going through a huge amount of flux right now with work and my best friend is leaving in a month. So I am feeling very ungrounded and scared and latching onto someone else to help me feel safe. But I know I can find safety in myself. Maybe even reinstall the dating apps once I am feeling better.
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Post by alexandra on Apr 5, 2024 23:36:35 GMT
Maybe even reinstall the dating apps once I am feeling better. Whoa! I think recognizing the other issues you have going on in your life and making a counseling appointment is a great way to get back on the road to self-regulation, so good for you for stopping to recognize and act on it. There's no reason him taking time off for his hobby for a few days should be the straw that breaks the camel's back to push you back onto dating apps. He hasn't done anything wrong, in that respect anyway.
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Post by cherrycola on Apr 6, 2024 19:44:02 GMT
I see signs he doesn't want as much closeness as I do, which is scary. After my vacation he said a week was too long to go without seeing me, so I was shocked when was doing that essentially out of his own free will. 5 days of a hobby is a lot to me, and when I asked for a walk or a meal in there he was REALLY unsure, which tells me it's a no. scheduling dates is an on going issue between us. He has acknowledged that he can be wishy washy about plans.
So now I am feeling distant, and feeling more avoidant. I know if I text him, he'll reply. But then I have two minds, he doesn't get to say I don't want to see you but then also get my attention / I should just leave him to his unwinding, he knows where to find me.
We checked in this morning, but I was feeling withdrawn I didn't know what to say and let it drop. Then I feel mean, he always replies, and I mean ALWAYS, with substance. So he is available to connect with, just not in the way I want. He asked me about my day yesterday so again he is showing he cares. but then my brain goes well why didn't you bother texting me yesterday to check in then?!?!
edit: Thank you all for continuing to let me journal in this space and sort thru things. I realized I continually hand my power over to another person and then get upset because I feel out of control.
My friends and I are very lax with plans, when we want to see each other it's back and forth of throwing out ideas/times until they stick. It does not work with him. I was suggesting fun things to do, he would agree they looked fun, but then they didn't become a reality. I had even brought some of them up a second time, and again ball drops. So then I was starting to feel resentful because I was like well we talked about doing these things together so now I feel like I can't do them on my own! I also realized I was letting him be wishy washy with my time. Which is something I worked really hard to not allow people to do.
So I got regulated, went and did one of the things I had on our massive "that sounds fun" list and sent him a photo. He said he was jealous and I used that opening to say another thing on our list was limited time, would he be available to do it Wed or Thursday. A very direct offer. He picked a day, he then sheepishly asked me to dinner tomorrow.
So I respected the boundary he set of I want time to myself, I showed him I am 100% a-ok doing my own thing, but you might miss out. I also advocated for my needs to know when our next date is so I can plan my life. I could have let it be, just let him come to me, and yeah maybe he would step up, or maybe he would not, and in the meantime I would be super anxious. I am proud I accomplished this without protesting, or having any sort of serious "chat". Because I think I am realizing one of the things a secure person does, is they are able to advocate for themselves assertively, without making it a big thing. It only needs to be a big thing if he said no, over and over. And then I could decide hey this person isn't for me. This way, if things fizzle out, they do so quickly and not through some weird prolonged passive game we play with each other.
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Post by cherrycola on Apr 9, 2024 18:08:55 GMT
Had an amazing date. It was originally just supposed to be dinner but then he wanted me to stay. It's interesting and I am not sure what to make of the fact that he said he was fairly sure he wanted me to stay the night, and he was going to suggest it, but then he didn't because he wasn't 100% sure and didn't want to commit to it.
We had some great fact checking where he brought up something I said or did and he wanted to check my actual meaning / intentions behind it. Such as how quiet I had gotten the last few days over text, and he thought maybe I was just doing my own thing, but he wasn't sure and isn't used to a partner who is able to fill her own life. He was also worried that I had booked a counselling appointment because I was going to end things.
He is going to meet my best friend and offered for me to start leaving things at his place. I feel like for 6 weeks, we are in a good place. 2 dates a week, a morning check-in and random memes/instagrams being exchanged.
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Post by alexandra on Apr 9, 2024 18:28:41 GMT
6 weeks is quite early for leaving things at his place. If he's afraid you're ready to end things, he's probably offering that to alleviate his own anxiety, or to have a reason to see you again if you did end things. There's no need to rush, especially since you were just feeling dysregulated and ready to go back to apps because he was busy for a few days.
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Post by cherrycola on Apr 9, 2024 18:47:17 GMT
6 weeks is quite early for leaving things at his place. If he's afraid you're ready to end things, he's probably offering that to alleviate his own anxiety, or to have a reason to see you again if you did end things. There's no need to rush, especially since you were just feeling dysregulated and ready to go back to apps because he was busy for a few days. That is a great perspective, thank you. He shared some things about his mental health that I am spending some time to figure out how I feel / what I need. Like I already suspected depression because it's a hard one to hide, but he confirmed it is un-treated, and recognizes it's impact on him being a partner. And I realize I already found myself changing decisions due to it. I had jokingly asked him to show off his cooking skills but then once I realized he was depressed and barely taking care of himself I didn't bring it up again. Which was one of the things he asked about, why we always go out for dinner/don't have dates where we cook together more. But then he admitted that I was right, he didn't have the brain power to organize cooking at his place. Now that I ponder this, I may need to have a more in-depth discussion around his mental health. Having had depression my entire life, it isn't a simple or easy road out and I need to understand more of how this impacted his last relationship and if he has any desire to do the hard work to stabilize himself.
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