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Post by cherrycola on Apr 11, 2024 17:07:02 GMT
Imagine my surprise when the "what are we" was brought up by him. It was very clumsy and a bit meandering then took a sharp turn off a cliff when it came out I went on a date with someone else shortly after meeting him. He was gutted to say the least. He did say I did nothing wrong, we were not exclusive, but he felt like because we were already being physically intimate and he thought I was a one at a time type of person that it would have been off the table for me. He reacted as if I had cheated on him and asked me a lot of questions. He even admitted in the past, he has done similar, gone on a date with someone else despite really liking the person he was dating.
We went over why did I accept the date, etc etc. I did admit part of it was insecurity because of how non-committal he was. We had actually had a conversation where I said I felt odd still being on the dating apps and he said he didn't want to delete his, so he understood if I accepted dates from others.
I tried my best to validate his feelings, and answer his questions. I'm disappointed that instead of just letting him sit with those feelings and decide how he was feeling, I really felt the need to know if this was a deal breaker for him. He said no, but he needed time to get over it.
Now I am upset that he is upset. It doesn't feel fair! He was being pretty wishy-washy and even tried to downgrade me to FWB around that time, and now here he is upset! At the same time, he is admitting his feelings are not logical and not my fault. He is acting normal this AM, we talked about our weekend plans etc. I just am having to sit with that uncomfortableness of having this conflict.
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Post by alexandra on Apr 12, 2024 6:21:57 GMT
It's normal for you to feel uncomfortable that he's blaming you for an issue he caused by making assumptions and not communicating, even though he didn't actually know you yet and shouldn't have assumed anything. While at the same time not knowing what he wanted anyway, and creating a story now in his head about it all. It does give you insight into where he is in dealing with his attachment style issues, and it may not be as far along as where you are -- even though you're still in the thick of it yourself. Definitely sit with your feelings, and remember that they are valid.
I think it's good you said he was being non-committal. If he wants to repair this, he should take that to heart and figure out what he wants to do about it to gain your trust. Which is probably why he's acting like you cheated, that's an easier cop-out and pressures you to try harder, and then he doesn't need to step up and do the work... but I don't know that for sure of course, it's just my interpretation and assumption. What he's said is he's hurt, which I'm sure is true, it just sounds like he is too all over the place to fully understand what he's hurt about.
"I'm disappointed that instead of just letting him sit with those feelings and decide how he was feeling, I really felt the need to know if this was a deal breaker for him."
Why disappointed? It's a valid question, and would have been a valid answer from him even if he instead said he needs some time to think about it. Nothing wrong with either of those things, as long as you gave him the time after you asked if it was a dealbreaker.
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Post by cherrycola on Apr 12, 2024 17:40:30 GMT
I think on reflection I am struggling to just sit with I did nothing wrong and he is also allowed to be upset. He wasn't asking me to fix his feelings, he wasn't demanding or anything else. He was mostly just really in his head about it. That is not something I am used to experiencing. He did make a point of saying I did nothing wrong. But then he asked if I kissed him and did not like the answer, so it felt like don't ask questions that are going to make things worse!
All my unhealthy relating here is really piling on here that he needs to get upset, that we need to have a big fight / have it out. I need to properly apologize. We can't get over this and he is going to hold it over my head months down the line the next time we get in an unrelated fight.
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Post by alexandra on Apr 12, 2024 19:43:24 GMT
I need to properly apologize. We can't get over this and he is going to hold it over my head months down the line the next time we get in an unrelated fight. Sounds like someone else has done this to you in the past. If he does these things, he's not a safe partner to be with.
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Post by mrob on Apr 13, 2024 2:48:05 GMT
It’s possible to have two conflicting feelings at once.
Another scenario. Different but the same. Let’s say I employ someone on a casual basis. They’re doing the work and hours of a full time staff member. I may have even put them in a supervisory role. Then I find out that they’re working on the side for another company. They’re entirely right in being able to do that. After all, they’re casual. They’re hedging their bets. I haven’t committed to them with an offer of permanent employment. I might be a bit hurt, maybe a bit worried they know too much about my business from being in a supervisory role, but at the end of the day, I didn’t see it coming. Now what do I do? I either offer them a full time role because I value them and don’t want them to go elsewhere, or I stop giving them work and they’ll drift away, maybe to the other company. By asking where you are, I suggest he’s doing the former rather than the latter.
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Post by cherrycola on Apr 13, 2024 6:25:32 GMT
mrob thank you for the humorous scenario. I didn't even consider that maybe he is afraid that I don't want to DTR. He is aware that in 5 years of dating I have only committed once. He also made a joke about me running away last week, but all jokes have some truth. If anything I look like the flight risk, not him. So I guess it was more like if he wanted to offer me a promotion but was afraid to even show me what it was, but then in the middle of this he found out I moonlighted somewhere else, he then got thrown so far off track, that I didn't even get to see what the offer was. So now I am like, is there still an offer? Do I want this offer? I think I want this offer but like I was just getting used to this company and their way of doing things. I always found it interesting that the first few weeks dating he kept trying to get ahead of a DTR talk that wasn't even happening. The third? time he mentioned it I had to point blank ask "is there something I am saying or doing that is giving off this impression that I want to DTR right now?" and he admitted that no... I wasn't and he was projecting from previous relationships. And that was the last time it was brought up until Wed. So yeah maybe he is now nervous that I don't want to DTR because I have not brought it up once. We don't talk about the future beyond a few days. We are very much in the present enjoying each others company. But then he let slip he ordered me a gift online and started to shift into more of an us/we thing. So he seems to see me as more of a fixture in his life.
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Post by mrob on Apr 13, 2024 8:33:46 GMT
To carry on the metaphor…
Let’s say I get the feeling that I’ve probably been pushing that person I’ve employed a bit far. They were only supposed to be doing 20 hours a week, but it’s been busy and they’ve been putting in far more than I’ve had any right to expect. There’s always the chance that if I offer a permanent position, they’ll decline and leave. In that situation, I’d probably enjoy the extra time and hope they change their mind about only wanting 20 hrs. On finding out they’d been working elsewhere, when I’d been considering their 20 hour preference, I’d probably be that bit hurt. Then I’m back at that choice. Do I take a chance and offer them full time to keep them, knowing they could go, or do I just let them go?
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Post by cherrycola on Apr 16, 2024 18:04:02 GMT
We did not DTR, in fact he seemed confused why I would bring it up again. When I tried to say hey we don't need to be in a relationship but maybe we should agree to not date others, he said he sees that as the same as being in a relationship and he is no longer upset about the date I went on and he has no interest in dating others but also won't delete his profile. Just taking this as information and trying to figure out how I feel about it.
He continues to be warm, consistent and communicative about where he is at. He makes time for me and admits when he needs to push himself outside his comfort zone. He shares the stories in his head and let's me correct them.
I am sometimes freaked out that he often catches my mood before I even do. But he does often interpret it wrong, ie I'm surprised and he reads it as upset. Etc.
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Post by cherrycola on Apr 22, 2024 14:01:22 GMT
He shared with me his concerns for defining the relationship, they were very typically FA. I could feel the fear under them but they were really fortune telling. He admitted again he dates women that aren't his equals because it feels safer. Ultimately he admitted there were no real reasons or actual huge incompatibilities between us, he just didn't know yet and felt bad and like he should know. That if I was the one he would feel strongly about it. I told him it's okay he doesn't know but I am also left sad. He hasn't reached my deal breaker for time yet, but his inconsistency between how he acts around me (as if we are in a relationship) and then his fear around defining it is hard to hold. I know this isn't about me, this is his pattern he has had his entire life, the difference being normally he defines the relationship and then regrets it / resents the person. It's sad because I identify with his pattern, I just don't let it stop me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2024 15:00:57 GMT
Wait a minute... he days he dates women who are not his equals because it feels safer... and he's dating you?
DROP. KICK.
Wishy washy insecure shit, there.
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Post by cherrycola on Apr 22, 2024 15:02:46 GMT
Wait a minute... he days he dates women who are not his equals because it feels safer... and he's dating you? DROP. KICK. Wishy washy insecure shit, there. He refuses to take any stance then I am better then him and will one day realize it and be resentful / leave him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2024 15:08:14 GMT
Wait a minute... he days he dates women who are not his equals because it feels safer... and he's dating you? DROP. KICK. Wishy washy insecure shit, there. He refuses to take any stance then I am better then him and will one day realize it and be resentful / leave him. That's a dead end.
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Post by alexandra on Apr 22, 2024 17:04:01 GMT
He's not ready for a serious relationship. Is that a dealbreaker incompatibility for you?
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Post by cherrycola on Apr 22, 2024 17:38:05 GMT
He's not ready for a serious relationship. Is that a dealbreaker incompatibility for you? That is what I'm trying to determine right now. Because before I met him, I had this idea that my partner would be able to commit within 2 months but then I talked to my counsellor and my secure friend and they said 3-4 is reasonable. But I'm not sure 3-4 will change anything. He has supported me to grow in ways I never could have dreamt. He is so warm and respectful and caring and it's hard to not want to just be wrapped in that for awhile. It's hard to not want to be with the person who always wants to know how I am and what is on my mind and will randomly text me with followup thoughts. Even though he says he wants off the insecure marry go round and constantly push/pull with anxious partners, there is the fear that he'll meet his next AP at some point and that will feel good and familiar and off he goes. I identify so strongly with always keeping one foot out of every relationship I've been in. How can I not have empathy for him. His feelings are identical to mine, just not as processed. Before I realized I wanted to put both feet in, this would have been okay. This weird place where we don't date others but also don't have any commitments to each other. I'm also aware if he doesn't challenge these thoughts and feelings none of it will matter. From the sounds of things I'm the first person that he has felt safe enough with to communicate his fears. So I can see him fighting his discomfort for this relationship, even if it's not enough. My counsellor also said it's my responsibility to manage my anxiety around uncertainty and not his and that if I've said going slow is okay I need to stand by that. And just let things unfold. So trying to determine how much of my own insecurity is causing issues.
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Post by cherrycola on Apr 23, 2024 2:49:39 GMT
Feeling deflated and disappointed in myself tonight. I did the things. The therapy, the reading, the mindfulness. The inner child work. The meditation and exercise. I got the friends and built a life. I defined what I wanted in a partner and found someone who seemed consistent and warm, caring, kind. Who said they wanted the same life I wanted. I even set boundaries around not accepting less than I wanted, while trying to be kind to their journey, and here I end up yet again. I don't know how to do this or trust myself anymore.
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