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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 13:49:45 GMT
...and that’s why my last relationship will never be rekindled. Not because she doesn’t love me, but she can’t handle that uncertainty. I’ll tell you, when I heard that, I knew I was a total failure and had to look at what on Earth is wrong with me. I deactivated a fortnight ago in a friendship. A mate pushed and pushed me, started off reasonable but I couldn’t do it. I felt myself slip away, to the point where I got a really abusive message yesterday that, to me, was totally over the top. I just don’t need constant messaging or contact. Let me do things in my own time. So, no, it isn’t only in intimate relationships. sometimes, it's also about live and let live! i don't need a total makeover to have good relationships-i have worked toward security and earned it- but i am still a fairly solitary and very independent creature and have found a circle of intimate relationships that are totally fine with me as i am. i'm happy! my relationships are mutually happy! if someone isn't comfortable with me, i urge them to find a more suitable person to connect with. i'm not for everybody and i am not a living apology- i am a real person with a real history and a beautiful Present and i have the right to live as i want and need, like anyone else. i really am ok with me. i continue to work where i need to but i'm not about to undergo a personality transplant for someone lol!! plenty of fish in the sea.
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 16, 2018 13:53:24 GMT
Yes..it is an automatic response...the craving for closeness in the distance. I think the distance itself is not the issue for APs...I think it is not knowing for how long that distance will take place. If the partner says...I need some space but will call you on Tuesday.....then the nervous system calms. Wedon'tnecessarily need to have our partner present, but we need to know that our partner will return. Oftentimes...at least what I have found..is that the deactivation comes with silence....and that is the trigger for me. More so the silence then the actual leaving...because the trigger is..did I do something wrong? Will that person come back? That is where my nervous system gets hijacked. YES. This is how I am. I can handle space and being apart. Ive even accepted that it's probably good for me. I just need to know that you love me and you'll be back and, if possible, some idea when. But she keeps running. I had that conversation with her the other night. It's hard for me to feel secure in a relationship knowing that she could get triggered and run away with no warning. It perpetuates and exacerbates a fear that I'm trying to work through. Yes...and perhaps what will help with your anxiety is to remind yourself that she is working off of old patterns and doing what makes sense for her...which is to run. I think in my next relationship I am going to honest and say..."look, I don't mind time apart..in fact, I welcome it...I just need some indication from you that you will return because silence for me opens a very old wound where I was not sure if my mom or dad would return or if they would be happy with me. This is not about you..but this is something that I need."
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Post by cspragu on Aug 16, 2018 15:58:53 GMT
YES. This is how I am. I can handle space and being apart. Ive even accepted that it's probably good for me. I just need to know that you love me and you'll be back and, if possible, some idea when. But she keeps running. I had that conversation with her the other night. It's hard for me to feel secure in a relationship knowing that she could get triggered and run away with no warning. It perpetuates and exacerbates a fear that I'm trying to work through. Yes...and perhaps what will help with your anxiety is to remind yourself that she is working off of old patterns and doing what makes sense for her...which is to run. I think in my next relationship I am going to honest and say..."look, I don't mind time apart..in fact, I welcome it...I just need some indication from you that you will return because silence for me opens a very old wound where I was not sure if my mom or dad would return or if they would be happy with me. This is not about you..but this is something that I need." I'm generally pretty good about this. At this point I'm aware of her patterns and quirks. In my mind, its the lack of open and honest communication that causes things to snowball into being far more serious than they need to be. But she doesnt respond well to my attempts and doesn't initiate any conversation regarding her own needs. So I'm essentially left to either read her mind, or make an educated guess as to what shes feeking and what she may need.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 16:42:56 GMT
it seems to me like it's just as difficult for an FA to establish trust and safety with a partner and stay, as it is for an AP partner to detach from a partner and leave. it's an unreasonable expectation of course to want a person to behave contrary to their attachment style.
hoping for an FA to just respond positively and in a stable way to what you feel is a good approach from you, is really as unrealistic as any of us believing that you yourself can just detach and walk away because this is painful and she is emotionally unavailable.
both of you are unwavering in your attachment styles in this dynamic.
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Post by cspragu on Aug 16, 2018 17:08:19 GMT
it seems to me like it's just as difficult for an FA to establish trust and safety with a partner and stay, as it is for an AP partner to detach from a partner and leave. it's an unreasonable expectation of course to want a person to behave contrary to their attachment style. hoping for an FA to just respond positively and in a stable way to what you feel is a good approach from you, is really as unrealistic as any of us believing that you yourself can just detach and walk away because this is painful and she is emotionally unavailable. both of you are unwavering in your attachment styles in this dynamic. No doubt. But that's the frustrating part...we have established trust. She freely admits that I know more about her than her friends or even her own mother at this point. There is a deep level of trust there, obviously, because she feels comfortable being honest when she's in the right head space and has no issue getting extremely emotional in my presence. Maybe its not consistent base on whether or not she's deactivating. But she defaults back to it as soon as she's come down from being triggered. I'm open to ANY suggestion from anyone regarding how to facilitate communication. I've told her more times than I can count that if she can think of a way that's comfortable for her to communicate then I will gladly abide by it. She has no answers and I'm out of ideas. Hence why we went to my therapist together. I felt like having a mediator to facilitate communication in a way that doesn't favor either party would be helpful. I thought maybe hearing things from someone who ISNT so close to her would be easier. The session went great...but it didn't matter on the end.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 17:12:02 GMT
my only advice is to accept her as she is or let her go. her process is hers and she will get to it when and if she is internally motivated to do so. she has an internal conflict that only she can address with her own therapist and supports.
i wish you well, truly. and her!
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Post by goldilocks on Aug 16, 2018 17:29:27 GMT
I’m not the type to place constant bids for attention when I know she’s deactivating or needs space. I understand how detrimental that is and I can wait that out. I have....many times. I just wonder if she can gain that type of awareness and, if so, ever be capable or mindful enough to handle it this way. Have you achieved this level of awareness about your AP processes? If not, how long would it take you to become aware and how long would it take to build the intrapersonal skills to actually intervene in your own process? Because what it takes is to feel like you are drowning, yet not respond instictively by kicking around and gasping for air. As I said it has taken me years and years, so do not expect it to happen over 10 weeks of therapy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 18:15:20 GMT
I’m not the type to place constant bids for attention when I know she’s deactivating or needs space. I understand how detrimental that is and I can wait that out. I have....many times. I just wonder if she can gain that type of awareness and, if so, ever be capable or mindful enough to handle it this way. Have you achieved this level of awareness about your AP processes? If not, how long would it take you to become aware and how long would it take to build the intrapersonal skills to actually intervene in your own process? Because what it takes is to feel like you are drowning, yet not respond instictively by kicking around and gasping for air. As I said it has taken me years and years, so do not expect it to happen over 10 weeks of therapy. well said! if you can feel like you're drowning and not kick and gasp for air, you're getting there. it takes a lot to overcome this stuff, a lot of focus purely on the self, over time... through LAYERS.
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Post by goldilocks on Aug 16, 2018 18:50:07 GMT
cspraguI have now read the rest of the thread and notice the following: You are a very grown man with a son to care for and show a good example to. Your son has alsready gone through the marriage going south and the drama of the divorce. You are tired and stressed and lonely and have more than enough on your plate. Working, running a household and healing your heart and helping your son heal. These are the things that need doing to break the cycle and allow your son to learn to relate in a healthy way. Put on your own oxygen mask, put on his. She is an immature avoidant with years of work ahead of her before she can be a good wife and stepmother/aunty. Leaving and coming back drunk, pulling shenanigans and generally f#cking up is a piss poor example for a child. There are women out there who are loving, warm and responsible. Yet you choose her. You are not used to receiving love. Can you give yourself so much love that you can thrive? Can you give your son the love he needs so that he can grow up to be a loving man choosing loving women? You both deserve love and kindness. Be the man you can count on. For you and for your son. Sending you two hugs, one for each of you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 19:02:58 GMT
i was going to mention the place of the son in this also- there is not any maturity in this female figure. sad but true, and very relevant. the shenanigans are quite immature, and irresponsible. any mate i choose, involved with my children or not, would have to be good parent material even if they didn't have kids- someone who demonstrates some adult self control.
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Post by mrob on Aug 16, 2018 23:10:38 GMT
So, after all that, such a thread, we’re back to the old judgement call of immaturity. Sigh.
It’s great fun having the best of AP traits, coupled with avoidance. It makes for great consistency, and gives one the ability to screw people around. NOT. No fun at all.
An example, that friend that sent me the abusive message the other day, I can’t move the rumination and accompanying sadness right now. Anything I let go has claw marks on it, even though I’ve done the damage.
Confusing? Staggering? Yes. Immature? She’s acting exactly as type. If I were you, I’d be sweeping my side of the street. But I understand the inability to let go without an internal fight.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 0:10:26 GMT
So, after all that, such a thread, we’re back to the old judgement call of immaturity. Sigh. It’s great fun having the best of AP traits, coupled with avoidance. It makes for great consistency, and gives one the ability to screw people around. NOT. No fun at all. An example, that friend that sent me the abusive message the other day, I can’t move the rumination and accompanying sadness right now. Anything I let go has claw marks on it, even though I’ve done the damage. Confusing? Staggering? Yes. Immature? She’s acting exactly as type. If I were you, I’d be sweeping my side of the street. But I understand the inability to let go without an internal fight. there is a degree of immaturity in any type even secure who use substances that way, it's something i definitely make a judgement call about myself as a mother of four in the dating world. my opinion remains and as i don't indulge in mind altering substances at all, i don't hold everyone to a tea-totalling standard, but have a higher bar than drunkenness for my mate. simply shared that parent to parent and don't feel ashamed of that standard.
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Post by mrob on Aug 17, 2018 5:21:28 GMT
I must have missed something there. That was not quite what I meant.
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Post by cspragu on Aug 17, 2018 15:20:32 GMT
Mrob I went back and read every single one of your posts. The behavior patterns and overall feeling towards relationships and autonomy that you outlined match those of my ex down to the letter. I'm thankful for your presence here and for all of the sharing you've done. I'll continue working on myself. But using your thoughts and experiences(as well as brokenbiscuits) to help me better understand her behavior does bring me some measure of peace. I must have missed something there. That was not quite what I meant.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 15:59:28 GMT
Mrob I went back and read every single one of your posts. The behavior patterns and overall feeling towards relationships and autonomy that you outlined match those of my ex down to the letter. I'm thankful for your presence here and for all of the sharing you've done. I'll continue working on myself. But using your thoughts and experiences(as well as brokenbiscuits) to help me better understand her behavior does bring me some measure of peace. I must have missed something there. That was not quite what I meant. oh man i must have missed something as well but let me just clarify, i sincerely care about the wellbeing and support of all us posting on this thread, and apologize if i have not transmitted that well.
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