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Post by faithopelove on Feb 17, 2020 1:27:01 GMT
Yep....that is the circular thinking of the tapes....very hard to break them. And what’s your opinion on whether engaging people in the circular tapes is useful?i had these tapes going non stop for 8 weeks after my breakup with FA, and after a while I realised that going over it with people actually just solidified the obsessing and made it worse...it becomes addictive and you keep looking for answers that you are never satisfied with. At some point you need to let go of going over it with friends etc. other people get sick of it too! I found that I was just annoying people in the end, and realising that actually helps me to drop it, I didn’t want to become the irritating friend that banged on about their ex non stop. Ultimately life does go on and my r/ship breakdown was not the centre of the universe 😂 amber - After my DA left me, I went to a therapist and found forums like this bc I knew I was wearing my friends out talking about my ex. Even my therapist didn’t want to hear his name but I figured that was her problem bc I was paying her to listen!!
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Post by amber on Feb 17, 2020 1:36:53 GMT
The forums are good for help but we have to ask ourselves if we are enabling unhealthy obsessive thinking by going around in circles all the time with peoples ruminations
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Post by tnr9 on Feb 17, 2020 1:42:52 GMT
Yep....that is the circular thinking of the tapes....very hard to break them. And what’s your opinion on whether engaging people in the circular tapes is useful?i had these tapes going non stop for 8 weeks after my breakup with FA, and after a while I realised that going over it with people actually just solidified the obsessing and made it worse...it becomes addictive and you keep looking for answers that you are never satisfied with. At some point you need to let go of going over it with friends etc. other people get sick of it too! I found that I was just annoying people in the end, and realising that actually helps me to drop it, I didn’t want to become the irritating friend that banged on about their ex non stop. Ultimately life does go on and my r/ship breakdown was not the centre of the universe 😂 And that is great for you...truly that is great....but some people have a harder time then others and as I look back...it is the friends who allowed me to come to that conclusion myself instead of insisting that I move on or get over him that were the biggest help. What ends up happening is a self fulfilling prophecy.....I already felt bad about myself because of my feelings and then I felt even more bad about myself because I wasn’t able to achieve the timeline of getting over him that other people wanted....and that just made the storylines worse because I was dealing with 2 levels of feeling bad..so the storyline that I was bad just sounded even more true.
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Post by tnr9 on Feb 17, 2020 1:45:26 GMT
The forums are good for help but we have to ask ourselves if we are enabling unhealthy obsessive thinking by going around in circles all the time with peoples ruminations Personally....I think we are here to provide our story. Most of us are not therapists. Grieving is individual. Grace doesn’t mean enabling.
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Post by amber on Feb 17, 2020 1:59:11 GMT
The forums are good for help but we have to ask ourselves if we are enabling unhealthy obsessive thinking by going around in circles all the time with peoples ruminations Personally....I think we are here to provide our story. Most of us are not therapists. Grieving is individual. Grace doesn’t mean enabling. I don’t beleive telling someone to get over it is a good idea either. There’s a difference between providing support and enabling obsessing that is very regular and consistent. I still lean on my friends for support and sometimes talk about how Im feeling relating to my ex, but if I was going over and over the same thing all the time, my friends listening to me doesn’t really help. If it did help, wouldn’t there be a sign of resolution?
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Post by tnr9 on Feb 17, 2020 4:09:14 GMT
Personally....I think we are here to provide our story. Most of us are not therapists. Grieving is individual. Grace doesn’t mean enabling. I don’t beleive telling someone to get over it is a good idea either. There’s a difference between providing support and enabling obsessing that is very regular and consistent. I still lean on my friends for support and sometimes talk about how Im feeling relating to my ex, but if I was going over and over the same thing all the time, my friends listening to me doesn’t really help. If it did help, wouldn’t there be a sign of resolution? I don’t think it is about that at all...it is about offering someone space to come to their own resolution. If she is hurting and needs to ask the same questions over and over again...is it really enabling? I would answer no. And the need to ask the same question is not about resolution, it is about addressing the anxiety that arises from all the intermittent reinforcement that she experienced. I experienced the same thing.
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Post by tnr9 on Feb 17, 2020 4:14:27 GMT
tnr9 - do people like that usually change? Like if they find someone better they like? Or if they are unavailable, they are usually always unavailable based off their insecurities? Hes back on Tinder and Bumble looking for a new relationship. I dont know what I was missing. I supported him so much. I fear I was just too emotional. But like I say I think alot of it was out of fear. One other question.....I understand you are on medication for depression. Do you believe it is working? I say that because I am on lexipro and initially I felt tons better on the dose I was on....but I was still really trapped in obsessive thoughts etc. Recently my dose was upped and it has really made a difference for me.
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Post by serenity on Feb 17, 2020 5:06:16 GMT
tnr9 - do people like that usually change? Like if they find someone better they like? Or if they are unavailable, they are usually always unavailable based off their insecurities? Hes back on Tinder and Bumble looking for a new relationship. I dont know what I was missing. I supported him so much. I fear I was just too emotional. But like I say I think alot of it was out of fear. To me personally, he sounds textbook avoidant. The textbook avoidant parts: He initiated a sudden breakup at 3 months (end of the honeymoon) citing flimsy reasons, as was his pattern with many women before you. This is very common behaviour for Avoidants and people with personality disorders. If you have the energy to read this forum, starting with really old posts, you'll see this is what most Avoidants do at the 3-6 months mark and it HURTS like crazy. It can start a trauma bond that is very hard for you to break . Other textbook avoidant traits: He frequently discussed breaking up when you planned nice trips, had nice dates together, and especially when planning the engagement. Avoidants get triggered by the closeness and relationship escalation, but unaware ones don't know this. They start to find fault with their partner instead. Conflict: If you read back what you have written, his pattern was to create conflict ``that he doesn't he like'' by blowing small things up, finding fault with your (understandable) emotions during hard times, negative thinking, blowing you off when you needed support during health scares and emergencies. Avoidants all have different distancing strategies designed to dampen their sense of closeness to you.... creating conflict to get distance or initiate a breakup is a common one. Reaction to your protest behaviour: Avoidants will panic and run fast and far if they feel they can't ever get the space they need when they are feeling engulfed. His brutal rejection of the relationship when you persisted and chased him is typical avoidant behaviour. If you had not protested and chased? You would have still had the frequent attempted breakups because of your normal connection needs and relationship progression, that led him to cause conflict, and fault find. I know you want him back. And if you stop all the chasing maybe eventually you'll get your chance. But this particular relationship won't work if you continue to blame yourself for his attachment wounds, or pretend they don't exist, and then use this self blame to smother him and fail to give space. His need for space has nothing to do with you, but you can make it a lot worse. Ultimately, what he wants, the way he behaves, and the way he interprets his avoidance (as everyone else's fault) make him pretty difficult for anyone. Whereas you could easily find someone non avoidant and make things work, when you've properly healed.
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Post by lostinlove on Feb 17, 2020 11:41:11 GMT
Serenity - thanks for breaking it down like this. The interesting thing to me, is although I am AP, as the relationship progressed, some of these things applied to me.. like the negativity. I started to feel more negative about things, and I'm wondering if that was more because I was in such fear he would leave. Sometimes I would seem to find faults in him too, and I'd speak up. But again, it was more as it progressed. Can they "rub off on us"? I know I'm definitely AP.
Also, what usually bring them back? The fact I told him I wanted him? He told me hes never gone back to an ex. But both I talked to didnt want him back as a serious thing. One not even as friends. What causes them to want to come back? As of right now, I'm still blocked everywhere and still no contact. I tried sending an email a couple days ago, nothing. I feel like I will never hear from him again. And it's sad going from seeing each other every day and living together to complete strangers. I wonder if it's just because hes trying to find his next catch. When we started dating he was having troubles finding someone and was about to just give up, until I came along. And now hes looking again, lol. I'm just trying to figure out if he blocked me temporary because I bugged him so much, or if its permanent, or he is just busy trying to find someone else. When he left all he said was "I don't see us getting back together". But another time he told me he would, and then another time he told me he never wanted to hear from me again. But I wonder if that's all because I bugged him too much after the break up and after some time passes I hope it will change.
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Post by lostinlove on Feb 17, 2020 12:07:48 GMT
Also, I seemed to start alot of our disagreements it seems like, but heres how/why.
In December, he told me I needed to get over my mom dying. I told him that was really not nice when you've never been through it. Then I started crying and he goes "oh your so dramatic, I just want out" and of course that set my anxiousness off big time and I begged him to stay, etc. And it made no sense to me anyways that he already wanted away.
Or when I had to call 911 the first night and I tried talking to him about it, he didnt want to hear it. And that made me super upset. So he left and "needed his space".
Then, as I would say other stuff, or he wouldnt compromise about stuff, or I would be mad it felt like he was "punishing" me, I would say something and try and bring a matter up and he would just sit there with a blank look on his face. And I would ask him about it and he would say "I'm just a simple man" or "I'm in my nothing box" or "you just want to fight all the time". But it would be because he refused to compromise or was "punishing" me. That stuff really set me off. Or the day he told me he just decided he didnt want to go on a planned trip anymore. That caused me to get upset, and he would say "see this is why I want away from you, you are scary" or "you are so dramatic".
He always just blew everything off as just being a "simple man". Or would constantly say "what do you want me to say?" Or "what do you want me to do about it"? Etc But he NEVER wanted to compromise it seemed like and he also used alot "well it is what it is, and if your not happy you can leave"
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Post by tnr9 on Feb 17, 2020 13:06:32 GMT
Serenity - thanks for breaking it down like this. The interesting thing to me, is although I am AP, as the relationship progressed, some of these things applied to me.. like the negativity. I started to feel more negative about things, and I'm wondering if that was more because I was in such fear he would leave. Sometimes I would seem to find faults in him too, and I'd speak up. But again, it was more as it progressed. Can they "rub off on us"? I know I'm definitely AP. Also, what usually bring them back? The fact I told him I wanted him? He told me hes never gone back to an ex. But both I talked to didnt want him back as a serious thing. One not even as friends. What causes them to want to come back? As of right now, I'm still blocked everywhere and still no contact. I tried sending an email a couple days ago, nothing. I feel like I will never hear from him again. And it's sad going from seeing each other every day and living together to complete strangers. I wonder if it's just because hes trying to find his next catch. When we started dating he was having troubles finding someone and was about to just give up, until I came along. And now hes looking again, lol. I'm just trying to figure out if he blocked me temporary because I bugged him so much, or if its permanent, or he is just busy trying to find someone else. When he left all he said was "I don't see us getting back together". But another time he told me he would, and then another time he told me he never wanted to hear from me again. But I wonder if that's all because I bugged him too much after the break up and after some time passes I hope it will change. I do so understand the desire for a second chance, but I would take him at his word about never going back to a previous ex. I know you want to be the exception....but all that does is keeps you focused on him and trying to win him back while he is looking for the next girl. I know that it is not the answer you want.....but that is what is the truth. At some point, and it is really up to you.....the story will need to change from focusing on trying to understand him and trying to win him back to focusing on how to love yourself and find a more suitable partner for you.
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Post by annieb on Feb 17, 2020 17:35:10 GMT
I think everyone is exhausted reading this and at their wit’s end on how to help you. Can you download the Pocket CBT app and see if you just fill in one entry? See what happens.
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Post by lostinlove on Feb 17, 2020 17:46:19 GMT
I'm just really trying to understand if my attachment style maybe caused a secure person to treat me this way? Like I took advantage of a good person. So if I find a secure, this will happen again?
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Post by annieb on Feb 17, 2020 17:48:11 GMT
I'm just really trying to understand if my attachment style maybe caused a secure person to treat me this way? Like I took advantage of a good person. So if I find a secure, this will happen again? You are not that powerful. Case closed.
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Post by tnr9 on Feb 17, 2020 18:22:57 GMT
I'm just really trying to understand if my attachment style maybe caused a secure person to treat me this way? Like I took advantage of a good person. So if I find a secure, this will happen again? I know it feels like you could unknowingly cause a secure person to turn avoidant, but let me reassure you that you cannot. I think it would help you to read up on what are the attributes of a secure person and compare that to how you were treated...even from the beginning.
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