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Post by stavs on Jan 10, 2018 2:21:06 GMT
I know it's hard Stavs, but you are doing great! Try to remember how much work you are doing on yourself, take a step back, be proud. Thank you, I appreciate that. We were talking about her breaking a lantern today and she said, "this is why I cant have nice things." I jokingly said, "you havent broken me yet" and she responded with "kinda sorta" which opened up another conversation abotu how she felt she broke me. I told her flat out she didnt break me, and then I told her that her leaving me wouldnt be breaking either if that were to happen (I'll spare the whole conversation). Not sure if it would have come off harsh to an FA, but my confidence is up a little, especially during this conversation, and I certainly would not allow anyone to "break me" and change how I treat others or other relationships. I may be anxious, but I do have strength.
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Post by kristyrose on Jan 10, 2018 2:43:49 GMT
I completely understand how you feel.
With my guy, I go through periods where I feel quite strong in myself and no matter what has happened between us and how cold he can be, I realize this is without intent, I do not feel broken by him nor do I feel that I will treat others differently as a result.
I'm still a work in progress AP who understands that he triggers me, but he cannot change who I am. :-)
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Post by stavs on Jan 10, 2018 15:25:04 GMT
Another thing I struggle with is I know my girl is very insecure regarding her looks and never got attention from boys/men when she was younger. Due to this, when a man shows interest in her, she engages, regardless of the type of individual he is. We went through this when we first started dating and I was in competition with a guy that was obviously no good for her. Now that her and I are more "solid," for lack of a better word, she still has thoughts about other guys, I know it. I try to make her feel secure every day, and I am always there for her, but I feel as if she will keep jumping back to others for attention to feed her ego and insecurity. I told her last night that I understood her insecurity about her appearance and why she strives for that attention and she said I was right. I didnt have the balls to say anything regarding her going to another man, or to admit I was afraid to lose her to another guy, but I did say if happiness for her was with another man, I would walk away and be happy for her as all I truly want is for her to be happy, even if that means I am not in the picture. Outside of this, I dont know how to handle these fears I have regarding her leaving me for another man that simply gives her attention, even though she knows its a bad decision (she has said that). She loves me, she knows I am good to her and for her, but her insecurity and her fears keep her from engaging in true happiness with me. It's so difficult to deal with at times, and right now I am feeling a bit stronger and keep telling myself that if it happens, its ok and there are other options. Still, she is what is in my heart right now and what I want. Any input on this would be greatly appreciated as it truly is a struggle for me daily.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 16:07:31 GMT
Another thing I struggle with is I know my girl is very insecure regarding her looks and never got attention from boys/men when she was younger. Due to this, when a man shows interest in her, she engages, regardless of the type of individual he is. We went through this when we first started dating and I was in competition with a guy that was obviously no good for her. Now that her and I are more "solid," for lack of a better word, she still has thoughts about other guys, I know it. I try to make her feel secure every day, and I am always there for her, but I feel as if she will keep jumping back to others for attention to feed her ego and insecurity. I told her last night that I understood her insecurity about her appearance and why she strives for that attention and she said I was right. I didnt have the balls to say anything regarding her going to another man, or to admit I was afraid to lose her to another guy, but I did say if happiness for her was with another man, I would walk away and be happy for her as all I truly want is for her to be happy, even if that means I am not in the picture. Outside of this, I dont know how to handle these fears I have regarding her leaving me for another man that simply gives her attention, even though she knows its a bad decision (she has said that). She loves me, she knows I am good to her and for her, but her insecurity and her fears keep her from engaging in true happiness with me. It's so difficult to deal with at times, and right now I am feeling a bit stronger and keep telling myself that if it happens, its ok and there are other options. Still, she is what is in my heart right now and what I want. Any input on this would be greatly appreciated as it truly is a struggle for me daily. I think if she is insecure about her looks, and you know where that originated, then you can try to provide her with more security by complimenting her in a sincere way, picking up the qualities that are obvious, eg. her hair is silky to the touch etc. It is something really difficult for women in general, because there's so much pressure in the media to look perfect. I think all women love attention and compliments. Let's see if anyone would contradict me? I was told by my stepmother when I was little that I was really ugly, she picked on parts of me to criticize, and I never quite recovered from that even though I received a lot of attention from boys and men all my life. I can see the reflection in the mirror, at a certain level I know but I think the damage from childhood never went away. I reacted with even more fearfulness when men threw huge compliments at me, as if if they would see me without being dressed up and made up they would change their mind. I would feel much happier if my partner thinks I'm attractive but it's not due to appearance alone, and that there are many other qualities that they find in me such that if I were to lose my looks one day it wouldn't matter. Maybe you can try this inside+outside assurance approach, but be specific about the compliments, i.e. not "You're beautiful" but "I like how smooth your skin feels", not "You're such a generous person." but "That was generous of you to donate to Sea Shepherd, you really care about the ocean." etc.
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Post by tnr9 on Jan 10, 2018 16:18:26 GMT
And it is not just women...my ex had some aspects of himself physically that he really low esteem regarding. In fact, he would apologize for things that he felt ashamed over....things that were out of his control, such as being sweaty after working out. I honestly did not mind that at all...but it was really important that I verbalized how I accepted him completely, for who he was, as he was right at that moment...perceived "flaws" and all. I loved his beard...he would say...I will show you pictures of good beards and I said..."I don't love beards...I love your beard". I loved so many aspects of who he is...and I tried to find ways to express that as often as possible.
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Post by stavs on Jan 10, 2018 16:58:39 GMT
Oh I have my own insecurities as well, especially regarding my looks, but nowhere near as bad as her. I keep telling her how I feel better about myself because I have such a beautiful woman as my girlfriend. I seriously try to build her up at every opportunity. I wish I could get her into therapy as I really think it would help her. She is such a wonderful person, but with all these issues I feel like it's a hopeless journey at times and that all my effort is going to be wasted because she will ultimately sabotage this relationship and I will have had enough and seek what I need elsewhere. Then at that point, I will just be another cog in feeding her FA behaviors and solidifying that every person she meets will leave her, even though it's her own fault.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 17:03:47 GMT
Oh I have my own insecurities as well, especially regarding my looks, but nowhere near as bad as her. I keep telling her how I feel better about myself because I have such a beautiful woman as my girlfriend. I seriously try to build her up at every opportunity. I wish I could get her into therapy as I really think it would help her. She is such a wonderful person, but with all these issues I feel like it's a hopeless journey at times and that all my effort is going to be wasted because she will ultimately sabotage this relationship and I will have had enough and seek what I need elsewhere. Then at that point, I will just be another cog in feeding her FA behaviors and solidifying that every person she meets will leave her, even though it's her own fault. Better still, instead of words, show it with action. Once when I was relaxed with my arms outstretched, the exDA stared at my inner arm transfixed, and stroke it, as if to feel its texture. He wasn't trying to arouse me either, he was just captivated. That was much better than any compliment, ever! The work we have to do is to truly know ourselves, our issues, our insecurities, our attachment styles, etc. then figure out our partners to see if we can adapt to them. If not, I'd cut my losses, really. My exDA is taking so much of my "headspace", I need to let go finally. With an FA, it is easier, I think...you just need to move into the "space" she created out of fear, to reassure her again and again. You don't know how she gets there, but you can gradually help her move to a more Secure place. I'm really going to busy myself soon with some dates, I'm open, available and even if they don't work out, I'd make sure we have a good time just hanging out. After all, we're all looking, we can sympathize and empathize with each other. I don't think I need therapy, I've had my proof , lots of it, and I understand how a little kid can really get damaged by a disordered adult. I know exactly what to do when those unkind thoughts haunt me again. I think if I find Mr Right, both of us will grow together, improving ourselves, refining our relationship, more secured, rooted facing the world, etc...all the good stuff written in the books.
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Post by kristyrose on Jan 10, 2018 17:10:04 GMT
Stavs,
I totally hear you and have felt the same about my ex FA. I think what you need to do is take it one day at a time with her right now. You do not know what the future holds, but what you can control now is your own response and actions. Try to also examine your own triggers and see if you can identify them and then come up with ways to ease them. I can hear your distress and believe me, I know it all too well. I currently am feeling the same daily unease about what is going on with me and my ex.
But back to you- I agree with the others, we all love to hear compliments and I think focusing on the unique things you love about her and expressing them can ease her mind. I also think that if you keep yourself in mind as well and focus on other aspects of your own life, you will get a little relief from the discomfort in examining your relationship. One thing I do think that can happen, is that avoidant partners can feel when we are anxious and uneasy, they may not be as attuned as AP's, but certainly as humans we can sense things in each other. That anxiety can also push them away further as they feel responsible for it. Of course, their actions do cause us these feelings, but we must remember that it is inherent in us to experience them at times with little or no provocation.
Just some food for thought. When I spin during the day, I will often take a look at how my attachment style can make things worse for me, so I use the tools I am learning in therapy, and also I come on here as you are doing for support and help. By taking the focus off of my ex and looking at how I can soothe myself, I get some relief from the spinning.
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Post by tnr9 on Jan 10, 2018 17:19:59 GMT
Oh I have my own insecurities as well, especially regarding my looks, but nowhere near as bad as her. I keep telling her how I feel better about myself because I have such a beautiful woman as my girlfriend. I seriously try to build her up at every opportunity. I wish I could get her into therapy as I really think it would help her. She is such a wonderful person, but with all these issues I feel like it's a hopeless journey at times and that all my effort is going to be wasted because she will ultimately sabotage this relationship and I will have had enough and seek what I need elsewhere. Then at that point, I will just be another cog in feeding her FA behaviors and solidifying that every person she meets will leave her, even though it's her own fault. Hey Stavs...I am not FA...but even I had a bit of a reaction to your "I feel better about myself because I have such a beautiful woman as my girlfriend" remark. It can come across (not intentionally) as pressure to maintain a level of beauty because of tying a part of your feelings about yourself to her. I have noticed a couple of times when you have said....this would be good for her (therapy) or that isn't good for her (the guys that she gives attention to). That can come across as more of a parent perspective than a partner perspective. Just something to be mindful of because we can all slip into that role unconsciously.
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Post by stavs on Jan 10, 2018 17:54:26 GMT
So let me ask this. Is it ok for me to ask her if there is anyone else physically or emotionally?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 17:56:57 GMT
Hey Stavs...I am not FA...but even I had a bit of a reaction to your "I feel better about myself because I have such a beautiful woman as my girlfriend" remark. It can come across (not intentionally) as pressure to maintain a level of beauty because of tying a part of your feelings about yourself to her. I have noticed a couple of times when you have said....this would be good for her (therapy) or that isn't good for her (the guys that she gives attention to). That can come across as more of a parent perspective than a partner perspective. Just something to be mindful of because we can all slip into that role unconsciously. You're right! That would absolutely mess me up. I'd be going...come on I'm not *that*.....and when I lose my looks one day will he lose his feelings for me too? I'd be terrified of being with a guy who is mostly into my looks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 18:02:19 GMT
So let me ask this. Is it ok for me to ask her if there is anyone else physically or emotionally? I don't see the harm, I'd answer honestly, but frankly, if we just spend a great time together then let's spend a great time together without going into any of these. It is too AP, and in the end, unnecessary, imho. That is unless she is seeing someone else, then you'd better know and decide for yourself if you want to be with someone who two-times. Whatever attachment style I may be, I keep it one at a time. It is a form of respect for the men I'm dating.
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Post by stavs on Jan 10, 2018 18:03:44 GMT
Hey Stavs...I am not FA...but even I had a bit of a reaction to your "I feel better about myself because I have such a beautiful woman as my girlfriend" remark. It can come across (not intentionally) as pressure to maintain a level of beauty because of tying a part of your feelings about yourself to her. I have noticed a couple of times when you have said....this would be good for her (therapy) or that isn't good for her (the guys that she gives attention to). That can come across as more of a parent perspective than a partner perspective. Just something to be mindful of because we can all slip into that role unconsciously. You're right! That would absolutely mess me up. I'd be going...come on I'm not *that*.....and when I lose my looks one day will he lose his feelings for me too? I'd be terrified of being with a guy who is mostly into my looks. I get that. It makes sense, and I do stress she is much more than a pretty package. I really do.
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Post by stavs on Jan 10, 2018 18:10:01 GMT
So let me ask this. Is it ok for me to ask her if there is anyone else physically or emotionally? I don't see the harm, I'd answer honestly, but frankly, if we just spend a great time together then let's spend a great time together without going into any of these. It is too AP, and in the end, unnecessary, imho. That is unless she is seeing someone else, then you'd better know and decide for yourself if you want to be with someone who two-times. Whatever attachment style I may be, I keep it one at a time. It is a form of respect for the men I'm dating. Thats the thing. if there is someone else either physically or emotionally, I want the opportunity to step away and find someone who wants to be with me and me alone.
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Post by tnr9 on Jan 10, 2018 18:10:08 GMT
So let me ask this. Is it ok for me to ask her if there is anyone else physically or emotionally? So I struggled with this too.....I would see my ex on IM at the exact same time as another friend....and I would go a bit crazy with jealousy (not shared, but certainly felt) that my ex did not deserve. Part of being in a relationship is that you trust the other person. What is the worst that could happen if you just trust that she is being faithful to you? What are you afraid is going to happen if you own your own confidence and simply allow her to speak to these guys knowing that none of them are you.
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