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Post by anne12 on Oct 30, 2018 18:02:17 GMT
In a lot of sociaties anger is put in the shadow:Aristoteles:Everyone can get angry. But the challenge is to be angry at the right time, at the right person, for the right reason and in the right way. We have to learn how to be intimite with anger. Anger is a signal to us, that there is something we have to take care of. Anger can be a collective shadow It can be a cultural shadow in some countries (Ex. in Northern Europe anger is put in the shadow and people behave more controlled when they are getting angry - some people cant even feel their anger), while people in Southern Europe/Latin Lmerica ect. are more expressive with their body and with their anger). It can be a personal shadow (what did you learn about anger in your childhood) It can be because of the way you were raised It can be because of gender differencies. in some countries boys are (only) allowed to show anger (boys dont cry) and girls are (only) allowed to cry/are raised to be a "good girl". Most books and courses mentions how to deal with agressive anger, but theres not much information/books about how to handle passive anger ect. - expecially for women or passive men. The movie anger management - m.youtube.com/watch?v=jA_j1WNDd_Q&feature=youtu.beThere are 4 different types of unhealthy anger. People can have a mix of different anger patterns - with different people, in different situations. Some people have an agressive angerpattern at home with their kids or with their partner, because it is more "safe", and they can have an passive anger pattern at work/with their boss/colleges ect. Some people shows agressive anger when they are driving, because it is more "safe" driving in their car, where they are "protected" and can rage against other drivers in traffic. What is your own anger pattern and how can you work on showing healthy anger in your daily life ? Negative anger:You can have one or more unhealthy patterns with different people in different situations. Remember, there is a good reason why you have your angerpattern (often learned in childhood) But it is workable, if you learn the right tools, so that you don´t hurt other people and/or yourself! AGGRESSIVETypical for the aggressive anger is that it is outreaching. You are doing something with your anger. e.g. shouts, gangs, criticizes, swings, becomes violent ect. • Short-lived and flammable • Explodes easily • Comes fast and often hot (also without obvious reason) • Easily intercepted with others • Low patience threshold . Drama king/queen . Want to get the last word • Big need for control (my way or the highway) • May be extremely annoyed by people, if they make mistakes • Quickly provoke and take things very personally . Roadrage . Shout at others in traffic - Some people have an agressive angerpattern at home with their kids or with their partner, because it is more "safe", and they can have an passive anger pattern at work/with their boss/colleges ect. * Some people shows aggressive anger when they are driving, because it is more "safe" driving in their car, where they are "protected" and can rage against other drivers in traffic. . Perfectionist . Find it difficult to repair . "Do as I say, or you will regret it" . Dont like that other points out their mistakes / their flaws . Want to get even • May have lost friends, partners or jobs because of one's temperament • May have ended relationships in anger and later regretted it . If not... then..... . Can be intimidating • At worst violent behavior www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivn3zUuEZlE - Anne Carlson "Working moms" m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivo1JGv_eh4 - Insideout - Meet anger www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2h-kCBR2Vs - If people did everything agressivly When other people touches you shame bottoms/a trigger, you can show agressive anger. (narcissists and psykopaths anger pattern plus passive agressive - remember you can not use normal boundarie setting with narcs!) PASSIVEThe passive swells the anger, lowers and suppresses. The anger is turned inward, and it can be hard at all to feel any anger and set limits and to say no. It is a evasive pattern, where one imploaches instead of exploding. • Rarely or never visibly angry • Turns anger inward • It is difficult to feel if you are angry • Recognizes easier disappointment, powerlessness, resignation, sorenes,, dissapointment, frustration, sadness • Wait too long to express anger • Cries instead of getting angry • Keeps silent • Avoids conflict and confrontation at all costs • Doubts often on his right to be angry (It's probably just me ...) • Blames herself, rather than getting angry with others Also the chill girl and spiritual bypassing is part of the passive anger pattern The chill girl thoughtcatalog.com/dalyce-lazaris/2017/02/what-it-actually-means-to-be-the-chill-girl/Spiritual bypassing The chill girls shadow sides: controlling, needy, boring, difficult, ordinaire, demanding ect. When we are in love/the crushing fase there's a risk of being chill. Blind compassion, neurotic tolerance ect medium.com/@expandingessence137/blind-compassion-robert-augustus-masters-f386da84d9cdPremature forgiveness m.youtube.com/watch?v=AZNHnIUWZJsjebkinnisonforum.com/post/38962/(cumpulsive cleaning can be hidden anger) Eating disorders can be hidden anger, Its a way to feel control, for feeling powerless Passive-AggressivePeople with passive-aggressive anger patterns are not outreaching like the aggressive, but they avoid conflict and are passive. They are angry and they are interested in punishing and in conflict, but they prefer to make it hidden. Bening disobedience - second world war • Anger through the back door - disguised, indirectly • Does not become visibly angry, but sabotages and punishes instead in the hidden - eg by: - being late/ - "forget" things (appointments / deadlines / to reply back to messages, etc.) - refuse to cooperate (say yes to do something, but do not do it) . deny their involvement if confronted - play innocent or stupid ("God, I have not thought about it!")/ - selective ,… - jam, - expose • Punishes with coolness, ignorance and silence • Tends to confuse, irritate and provoke others (consciously but without admitting it) • "Then you can learn it!" . The angry smile . Procastination - unnecessary burakti . Constanly late • scums instead of saying that you are angry • Sarcasm, suppositories and "out of the side" attacks (often masked as humor or "ha-ha-it-is-jo-just-for-fun" laughter) . Uses a Lot of smileys after a statement 😉🙂😉 . As a woman, do you know this? You withdraw. becomes cold. or quiet. says "fine" (even if it is not) . As a man, do you know this? You shut yourself off, Goes out in the garage, Go on a bikeride, Disappears, With draw, Arriving home late, hiding behind a newspaper, Uses sounds like (mmm) rather than communicating, Sulks or rolls eyes instead of communicating . www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbWOh5xjgg8- m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug-_K-MFvNg&t=7s narc stephmom fleabag . Eyeroll m.youtube.com/watch?v=p5WPVLljm1AProjective-AGGRESSIVEPeople with projectively-aggressive anger patterns seem immediately passive, but they are not. They are angry, but because they are afraid to own and express anger, they project and turn it over to others, and let others bear and exert their anger for them. • Judges anger • Projects one's own anger on others • Focuses on angry people • Make others feel angry for you, so you may seem unruly • Always blame others for being angry • Anger paranoia: Are you angry? "Are you sure you're not angry? You seem angry!" • Is often a magnet for angry people (often married to an aggressive type) • Assumes the role of a victim or innocent (it is not me who is angry) It may be another person, who turns on our anger, but the anger can be about something else..
E.g. - You give more, than you can give and more than you have the energy for. - You´ve gone too much on compromise with your values. - The things you do not take care of within yourself. Or You are simply just: - stressed out - hangry (Hungry) - Tired - Too hot or Cold - Thirsty - Got PMS (pick a fight week) - going through menopause - www.drnorthrup.com/why-anger-is-common-during-menopause/(remember to repair)
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Post by anne12 on Nov 6, 2018 10:36:07 GMT
Anger that covers shame/shame as an anger-trigger: Does your anger cover shame? As human beings we can push each others shame buttons without knowing. If you have a quick temper, if you shout, if you slam doors, your problem may not actually be your anger. The real emotion that may be hurting you, is what's lurking behind your anger: shame. For many of us, anger is a cover of shame. For many of us, we carry around secret feelings of shame for years and years. Something we did in our past — or something that was done to us — haunts us. Shame can be a major anger trigger because when we harbor shame, we tend to react defensively, when we're criticized or given even mild feedback. We may then use anger to divert attention away from our painful, hidden feelings the way a magician uses misdirection when performing a card trick. If you dont deal with your shadow, then your shadow will deal with you (Debbie Ford)If you are having difficulty with the word shame, then you can ask yourself what you fear. What are you affraid being seen as ?How can people regonise when they are feeling shame/are getting triggered:The cactus The turtle The scorpion The passive: You implode. You want to withdraw, you become a turtle, you become quiet. You can go into freeze and maybe collapse.What feeling do you feel the moment before this happens ?The agressive: You explode, you shout, you become a cactus, you pour your anger onto other people. What feeling do you feel the moment before this happens ?
The passive agressive : You become a scorpion, when someone touches your shame buttom, you use sarcasm, you get revenge fantasies, you act cold - all this instead of becoming vulnerable What emotions can trigger aggression / anger in you:To be ignored To feel criticized To be called histarical To feel stupid, - rejected, - indifferent, - not important, - hung out, - ugly - not respected ect. What words / insinuations can trigger aggression in you:
Words you've been teased with Names you've been called Things you've been accused of being Things you've been criticized for being Things you've felt like (old wounds / trauma) Sides of you, you feel deeply shame / disgusted about (shadow sides) www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/mindful-anger/201607/is-your-anger-cover-shameMore about shame:Violations and failures - which have you experienced either as a child or later in a couple relationship or in other relationships, at work ect: • Verbal insults: a lot of criticism / scolding • “Inquire” • Being shamed • Humiliation • You been told to: shut up / shh! / be quiet • Threats / punishment • Physical violence • A look full of disappointment / or disgust • Inappropriate teasing, • Emotional coldness, being ignored • Violent mood swings, erratic behavior, conflicting messages • Exaggerated or unrealistic demands • Overcontrolling behavior • Overprotective behavior • Enmeshment / emotional incest (entanglement. Too intimate with mother or father) • Failure / rejection • To be invisible / not to be seen . Lack of warmth, support, comfort, encouragement, declarations of love, physical touch What did you make this mean about you?Spend 10 minutes uncovering theese beliefs you (unconsciously) created on the basis of each type of violation / failure. For example: Enmeshment: I must always be there for others Unrealistic demands: I can not do anything good enough Constant criticism: I'm wrong "Shut up!": it is dangerous to say your opinion Answer: My story taken into account, it is understandable that… What do you feel like saying to yourself as a child now?
Write down at least two sentences. Rewrite your old, negative beliefs into mantras / positive messages you can remind yourself of every day:Ex: I am allowed to say my opinion. It is not selfish to take care of myself. My needs are also important. Write the sentences on post-it notes and put them around your home, where you can see them every day www.gottman.com/blog/the-anger-iceberg/
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Post by anne12 on Nov 11, 2018 9:55:17 GMT
The agressive angerpattern:
Typical for the aggressive anger is that it is outreaching. You are doing something with your anger. e.g. shouts, gangs, criticizes, swings, becomes violent ect. • Short-lived and flammable • Explodes easily • Comes fast and often hot (also without obvious reason) • Easily intercepted with others • Low patience threshold . Drama king/queen . Want to get the last word • Big need for control (my way or the highway) • May be extremely annoyed by people, if they make mistakes • Quickly provoke and take things very personally . Roadrage . Shout at others in traffic . Perfectionist . Find it difficult to repair . "Do as I say, or you will regret it" . Dont like that other points out their mistakes / their flaws . Want to get even • May have lost friends, partners or jobs because of one's temperament • May have ended relationships in anger and later regretted it . If not... then..... . Can be intimidating • At worst violent behavior . When other people touches your shame bottoms/a trigger, you can show agressive anger. jebkinnisonforum.com/post/18822/(narcissists and psykopaths often got this anger pattern plus passive agressive angerpattern) www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivn3zUuEZlE - Anne Carlson "Working moms" www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DtMdRhtlfk - Insideout - Meet anger www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2h-kCBR2Vs - If people did everything agressivly As someone with agressive angerpattern, you do not think that you have got any problem with anger. It's REALLY easy for you to get angry and set your limits! In some ways this is good. You find it easy to feel your no, and you find it relatively easy to say no. Your challenge may lie elsewhere. Many who are good at being angry and setting boundaries, have difficulty with vulnerability. Maybe you come from a family where anger has not stood in the corner of shame. The anger was both accepted, visible and loud. Being angry is not considered as shameful - many other feelings can be shameful Maybe you havent had problems setting boundaries and with being clear. Maybe your havent had a big problem getting, authentic and explosively angry when someone has violated your boundaries. Maybe you have acted instinctively and fast when you have felt threatened or violated at your personal boundaries. - Like, for example, pouring a whole glass of beer in the head of a man who thought he could touch you at a concert. (You may have given him two warnings before, but he did not respect your "stop and go away!" Anger is what makes you say: No! Stop! Go away! But..... Because there is a but! Sometimes you need to say: Yes! Come closer! I would like to I want to And then you are challenged. That's a lot harder for you. You can practice and get better at vulnerability, being sweet and soft. There is a reason why it is not easy for you- and that reason is largely shadow-related. We do not end up learning only to be angry. It is good to be able to have access to its justified, explosive anger in situations where we are threatened. But beyond that, the explosive anger is not the goal. Far from. The goal is balance. To have access to both your anger and your vulnerability. We become one-dimensional. The people who have juice and power and really inspire us are typically nuanced. They have a large register and can navigate freely and flexibly in their emotional landscape. That is the goal. It should be easy (or at least easier) for us to be able to say: That ... made me sad. I was hurt when ... I felt [stupid / rejected / weak] and therefore ... I need ... I want to ... I really want to ... It's so important to be able to do this. For all types of angerpaterns! You can learn to open up to your vulnerability. To become softer, say yes or reach out. Ask for something. In a warm, happy and direct (and if appropriate, more loving) way. If you know you may tend to be a little too blunt, harsh or direct, you can learn to turn up the warmth in your boundary setting so that your message lands better with the recipient. And you can easily get better at turning up the warmth and sweetness without compromising your authority or power.
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Post by anne12 on Nov 14, 2018 13:06:25 GMT
The Anger Scale: 1-10 :Find out where you are on the angerscale in different situations. Not everything must have the same reaction. 1-3: Observable 4-7: Affected, 7-10: In the red zone!!! Ask yourself: How do I react and is my anger proportional to what´s going on ? From 6 and up, if you boil inside, if you are owerwhelmed by emotions, it is a sign for you to investigate the following 5 steps...: Is it: 1) Reactivation of old wounds - accumulated - a pattern that repeats itself. Regression - ex. of being 4 years old. 2) Projection? Because we see a side in another person that we do not even have access to ourselfes. 3) The transfer of characteristics to my girlfriend / boss which belongs to my dad? An old wound. Remember it must be repaired where it occurred. 4) Covering a different feeling? Are we afraid, sad, hurt, ashamed of anything. 5) Notice if it is because you have to set a healthy limit/boundarie.
Your anger can be about one or more tings of the above, at the same time!!! may be another person, who turns on our anger, but the anger can be about something else.. E.g. - You give more, than you can give and more than you have the energy for. - You´ve gone too much on compromise with your values. - The things you do not take care of within yourself. Or You are simply just: - stressed out - hangry (Hungry) - Tired - Too hot or Cold - Thirsty - Got PMS (pick a fight week) - going through menopause - www.drnorthrup.com/why-anger-is-common-during-menopause/
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Post by anne12 on Nov 20, 2018 12:46:08 GMT
Narcissists in relation to anger:
They are not interested in finding solutions, but they are interested in the drama. Do not take the bedding/the bait Do not defend or explain yourself Insist to focus on one topic and do not let them hijack the situation A narcissist will never be interested looking at the situation from your point of wiew or being really interested in your perspective A narcissist is very self-centered - everything has to be about the narcissist A narcissist often does not have any self-reflection or self-irony and is often not able to laugh at themselves A narcissist will never take responsibility, because responsibility is = fault and fault is = shame Confrontations with narcissists will never end well If healthy boundarie setting does not work on them, then stay away. Possibly end the contact or keep the contact at an absolute tolerable minimum. You never get at healthy relationsship with a narcissist. Give up the dream or hope. Narcissists often have an agressive anger pattern and a passive-aggressive anger pattern. The narcissist can also be the nice guy that everyone likes. Or her the caring one who is always there for others. Or the all-embracing spiritual course leader. "No, you are so lucky to have such a mother / father / husband / boyfriend!" Maybe you've even heard it. And that makes it extra confusing. The passive-aggressive narcissist can be extremely likeable - outwardly… and most often when there is an audience - but at home you never feel quite good enough. You feel devalued and degraded, but everyone tells you how lucky you are. A relationship with a passive-aggressive narcissist first and foremost feels… confusing Your body responds. Something feels off, but you can not put a finger on why, because the person is neither aggressive, threatening nor violent. On the contrary, he may be quite calm and kind, yet you often feel wronged, belittled, and small. You start to feel crazy, drained and being hit by constant doubt. Is it just you? Are you overreacting? Are you too sensitive? Touchy? The passive-aggressive narcissist constantly put small seeds of doubt in you. And your self-confidence is slowly being erased. "It must be me that there is something wrong with", is often your conclusion. The difference between the "classic" narcissist and the passive-aggressive narcissist. The "classic" narcissist and the passive-aggressive narcissist are in fact completely similar on the inside, but they differ - on the outside. The passive-aggressive narcissist is extremely preoccupied with his reputation and with appearing "good" on the outside. It's not the classic narcissist. He / she completely does not care what others think or feel. The passive-aggressive is extremely preoccupied with his reputation and with being liked by others. The passive-aggressive narcissist needs to be admired and praised, but will not brag and behave arrogantly like the "classic" narcissist. On the contrary, the passive-aggressive narcissist may appear almost humble. Because the reputation of the passive-aggressive narcissist is so important, he or she will not be overtly cynical, selfish, or unsympathetic. The passive-aggressive narcissist sabotages secretly - for example by: "Forgetting" things (appointments / deadlines / responding to messages) say yes to doing something but do not do it, procrastinate, do things at provocative slow pace, becomes silent, dodge, refuse to talk about problems, teases or make jokes, hurt, play innocent or stupid ("God, I have not thought of that at all!") The passive-aggressive narcissist will, for example, be the type who can share a picture of you on social media, where you look really stupid, and say "No, stop being so sensitive / vain / preoccupied with yourself" . You start to doubt yourself. Maybe it's just you? The passive-aggressive narcissist also has a hard time being genuine and persistently excited on your behalf. He / she has difficulty seeing you in focus and will always try to turn his attention back to himself. But subtle. For example, a passive-aggressive narcissist may have difficulty celebrating his partner's birthday without making drama of some kind. Suddenly becoming "sick", offended, feeling hurt by your "selfishness" or lack of appreciation for him / her. Thee passive-aggressive narcissistic course leader or spiritual guru will - when he / she meets criticism from a student / follower, for example - smile kindly and say "what do you think this tells about you that you have that problem with me?" The passive-aggressive narcissist will say he / she is "worried about you", but it does not feel like caring. This kind of narcissism is one of the most harmful because it is so insidious You may be in a relationship with a passive-aggressive narcissist for many years without discovering, that you are actually being manipulated, abused or subjected to psychological violence. You may have even read about narcissism and thought "no it does not suit him / her, because he / she is not ... aggressive, rude ect." It is important to say that not everyone who is passive-aggressive is a narcissist. But dealing with a passive-aggressive narcissist can feel extremely tiring and - most importantly - confusing. The relationship is always odd. You will always give them more attention than you get. Lookk up "grey rock" if you are dealing with a narcissist. The sensitive introvert narsissist uses passive agressive anger The bully type narc uses agressive anger www.audible.co.uk/pd/The-Covert-Passive-Aggressive-Narcissist-AudiobookAbout the sensitive introvert narcissist: blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/23-signs-youe28099re-secretly-a-narcissist-masquerading-as-a-sensitive-introvert/www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/guide-better-relationships/201811/gaslighting-tribewww.higherperspectives.com/deny-flaws-2639031042.html?fbclid=IwAR2ruOMr0f6y-cV0acHvcj0eHrfyzyisDXa_jhWbXiYHHA1WZ5dVaPdWIks
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Post by anne12 on Dec 6, 2018 23:07:48 GMT
How to deal with passive agressive people:
1. Don't take the bait. There’s a fine line between responding to someone who’s being passive-aggressive and engaging in the drama they’re creating. You want to respond without doing the emotional work for them, Braslow says. That means avoiding asking questions like: “Why did you say that?” or “What did you really mean?” Example: If a friend says “thank you” but doesn’t sound pleased, answer the content, not the context of the situation. Simply saying “you’re welcome!” meets the person where they’re at, but doesn’t take their bait, which is a great way to disarm them. 2. Stay present. If you’re calling someone out on their behavior, chances are this isn’t the first time they’ve acted this way. But that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to bring out the laundry list of past offenses or make sweeping generalizations, says Scott Wetzler, Ph.D., a professor of psychiatry at Montefiore Medical Center and Albert Einstein College of Medicine as well as the author of Living With the Passive-Aggressive Man. Instead, focus on what just happened. Focus on that specific moment and tell her how her words make you feel. Example: Your mom says, “That dress does a great job of hiding your weight gain.” Don’t respond with a generalized statement about how she always criticizes the way you look (even if you feel that way). Rather, focus on that specific moment and tell her how her words make you feel. 3. Be assertive when talking. The passive-aggressive person is being avoidant, so this is no time to beat around the bush. Instead, address the issue head-on: Focusing on how you feel, use “I” statements, which bring understanding and empathy, rather than “you” statements, which can feel accusatory, Brandt says. Example: You’re at a family dinner and notice a relative adding spices to a dish you made (it's not the first time they've messed with your recipes). Approach them and say, “I noticed you adding in spices. I feel disrespected when you do something like that without telling me. It’s fine if you want to tweak your own dish, but I don’t want to change the whole recipe.” 4. Make sure the punishment fits the crime. One way to get passive-aggressive people to change their behavior is to have clear consequences for their actions. But those punishments can quickly go overboard (e.g., screaming "I'm never ever talking to you again!" in the heat of the moment). Evaluate how their behavior has affected you, and then determine the best response, Wetzler says. (Should you tell your friend you need some time apart? Or is it time to end the friendship altogether?) Example: This is the third time your friend has been late to the movies without giving you a heads up. Next time it happens, be direct and tell them it bothers you when they leave you hanging. If they continue to do it, let them know you'll invite another friend instead. 5. Understand your audience. No matter how hard you try, some people won't be responsive when you talk to them, says Stacy Kaiser, a therapist and editor-at-large of Live Happy. “Many people who are passive-aggressive aren’t going to change because you’re bothered by it,” she says. If you're deciding whether to bring up a person's behavior, it can be helpful to do a quick cost-benefit analysis to figure out if it's worth making an effort to get them to change their ways. (In other words, talking to your spouse is a lot less risky than talking to your boss.) Example: Say it's your boss who's giving you the silent treatment after another leader at the company compliments your work. Ask yourself: Is talking to your boss worth your time and energy? Will it lead to change? And perhaps most importantly, will it lead to consequences, like being passed over for promotions or losing your job? (In the meantime, try these six strategies to spread more positive vibes at work.) greatist.com/grow/respond-to-passive-aggressive-behaviorhbr.org/2016/01/how-to-deal-with-a-passive-aggressive-colleague
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Post by laura on Jan 6, 2019 14:18:29 GMT
I just wanted to say how helpful this thread is to me. My ex and daughter used to confuse my outbursts for anger. I knew I wasn't angry but had a hard time articulating what I was feeling because my behavior was now the presenting issue. I think I have a lot of shame as a parent, among other feelings. Great thread.
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Post by anne12 on Jan 23, 2019 9:17:01 GMT
Needs:
Vulnerability out of the shadows
• Consider what other strategies (other than communicating directly) you have used to get your needs met. Do you tend to - charm, - manipulate, - sulk, - picture yourself that you do not need anything / anyone.
• Reflect on which relationships / situations you hold back / do not express - directly and honestly - your needs:
- Partner / on dates - Managers / colleagues / working relationships - Authorities - Friends - Family
Write a list. • Choose one example and try using the step-by-step guide • Practice in general to be aware of feeling your feelings / needs / desires
What is it I would like? What do I need right now? What do I fancy? What would I wish xxx could mind read and do without I needed to ask for it right now?
Practice this expressing your needs. Honest and vulnerable. Ask for something you have not asked about before. Or express a need, desire or longing - directly. Consider also what sweet words and declarations of love you hold back (by fear of being rejected or laughed at). Be brave and say it out loud
How to ask:'
When You feel angry, dissapointed, sad, frustrated, blocked, locked You havent received what you would have wanted You havent communicated your need clear enough You have hoped that the other person could have guessed your need
When you manipulate (talking about the kids or the dogs need when it is your need), when you charm, when you sulk, when you withdraw, when you please
Ask yourself what is my honest wish ? What is it that i am not getting, what is it that you havent asked directly about, what would you like/ suggest ?
What is it that you should risk (beeing seen as) (your shadow/shame) ? What is your history with that word ?
What is the gift with that word ?
You can say: I really feel needy/difficult ect when I have to……
Ask in an honest way for what you wish
I would like to I will/ I want Will you
What do you think about that ? Do you want to ... ?
Be precise and clear !
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Post by anne12 on Feb 15, 2019 8:59:09 GMT
How can you know if you or others are projecting:
Projecting is when you do not want to own or accept the "ugly" or the "not so charming" sides of yourself and you therefore transfer/projects them on another person.
This means that it is not integrated in yourself/its unconsious.
"I am not xxxx. He/she is xxxx."
Look at how much charge there is in the quality/the person you condem.
There is a difference if you say: "I do not like the person xxxx"
Or "I can not stand the person xxxxx. That little, selftasting, selfish brat" or "Look at Lady Gaga - she is acting cracy and out of control on stage, she looks ugly, when she is angry,
Projection red flags: You or another person feels: Contemt, discust, you go one up in grandiocity- Terry Real uses critical tone of voice.[be] Uses a lot of: !!!!!! (spoken or unspoken). Or you are provoked by the other person Also if you distorts the caracteristic you judge.
IT is easier to project on people that we do not know that well. Because when we get to know other people, we learn, that they are not only one dimensionel and are not only idiots.
How to integrate: You find it in yourself and You fall in love in its hidden potential
But that does not mean, that you are not allowed to have opinions of others.
Be aware if someone says:
"What You judge in others is a mirror of yourself" "If You do not like the way I am, You have to look at yourself" "If You think I am ...., IT is because You are like that yourself". "If You do not like me, it is because You are jealuos of me"
Remember sometimes your intuition about another person is right.
Sometimes people who turns on your skepsis, your NO, your legitimite assumptions against you and who Will tell You, that you are the wrong one. That you are the paranoid, sensitive, selfish ect. person.
Be aware of gaslighting and/or crazymaking with the intension of making You blurred, confused so that you start doubting yourself.
Ex. A person that wants to hug You, can tell You that you are a person that have a problem with being intimate, if You do not feel like You want to hug back.
A person that wants to borrow money, and tells You, that You are selffish ect if You say No.
A person who over and over cancels appoitments with You, and who are accuicing You of being hysterical and controlling. Overstepping boundaries, selffish, calculating, respectless, punishing behavior is NOT projection. It is reality.
Do not turn All tings against yourself and think if I think this person is xxxx, there is a chance, that I am like that myself.
Feel your stomac, your intuition, feel your boundaries.
If You feel that your boundaries have been violated, if You feel that you have been treated wrong ect. remember you always have the right to say NO / You are not right / stop.
Remember the difference in the kind of charge in your own reaction.
If You can feel that you are getting angry, feeling perplex, Hurt, confused or you are feeling paralysed, the chance is, it is not projection but a normal, healthy reaction, that shows you, that your boundaries have been violated.
If You are reacting on the other persons insinuations with rage, contemt, with violating Words, a Lot of !!!!!, then maybe it is time to look inward and ask yourself why you are reacting this Strong and what shadow word or shame buttom that has been triggered in You. And why.
But otherwise - do not let another person tell you, that you are not allowed to have opinions about people, situations or different topics.
As Long as You are not getting ... As Long as You do not want to punish, destroy, put down or shame the other persob then You have the right to point out another persons behavior and say:
"I am not okay wiht the way You are behaving" "This is totally wrong in my opinion" "I do not want to participate in this"
Notise that You are not using !!!!! You are only acting on what You are observing.
IT can sometimes show a huge blind spot in the person, who violates you.
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Post by lilyg on Feb 15, 2019 10:25:35 GMT
Very good, Anne!
I've felt both ways in my life, and sometimes is a thing I struggle with my partner. It's difficult to understand if it's a real concern, if it's a projection or who's projecting. A tip is: if it feels like it got out of control in a way that it shouldn't there's some projecting going on.
Projection in Relationships: What to do about it
The thing to remember is: Everybody does it. It’s human and serves as a defense against threats.
So the first thing to do is accept this fact. Don’t beat yourself up about it (or your partner), and most importantly expect that it will crop up now and again.
As long as you are aware that neither you nor your partner is immune to it, you can use it projection as an opportunity for self-awareness, emotional connection, and growth.
When looking at strategies for coping, there are two situations to consider: One is that you are the one projecting, and the other is that your partner is projecting onto you. Let’s look at each separately.
When you are projecting:
If you try to blame your partner for what you are feeling, thinking, saying or doing, then you are likely projecting your issues onto them. One defining characteristic of projection is the level of intensity and degree of focus you feel. You will have a very strong urge to blame.
The best antidote to projection is setting these three intentions:
1) Look Within. Every time you are triggered by your partner, take a moment to look at the part of you that is just like them. Are you annoyed because your partner is lazy? Maybe your whole being would rather lie on the couch and do nothing, and you hate this about yourself. If you are honest, you will usually see some part you play. When you do, the intensity of judgment will fade.
2) When you get triggered, stay with the feelings. Avoid acting or speaking out while still triggered UNLESS you are able to merely share your own reactions, without identifying with the judgments. Not acting out will cause discomfort. A good rule to remember is that the more intense your urge is to change or blame your partner, the more pain you have around an emotional wound you have denied. So stay present with your emotions, and avoid judging thoughts.
3) Be aware of stress. The higher our stress level, the fewer emotional resources we have. During times of stress we are more likely to project. So stay aware of when you are under stress, and take extra care to be mindful as well as proactively reduce your stress. This will set yourself up for success in your relationship.
When your partner is projecting:
When your partner is projecting, it can feel crazy-making. You may be accused of the very things you know are true about your partner. It feels like a complete reversal of the truth, and you may be shocked. You may feel tempted to defend yourself and prove your innocence.
The best thing to do in this situation boils down to just two things:
1) Respectfully disengage. Often, the best thing is to say something like, “This feels like it is not about me,” and then lovingly avoid getting sucked in. Be compassionate toward yourself, because it feels like a betrayal to be attacked about something that isn’t based in real-time.
2) Do not explain, defend, argue, teach, analyze, counter-attack, or criticize. If you do, your partner is off the hook. The only way to avoid getting tangled up in something that is’nt about you (and become implicated) is to keep it about them. You can express empathy for their distress, and ask questions that create greater awareness (“have you felt this way in the past?” or “I can see something is really triggered in you, and I am here for you.”) But don’t pick up what isn’t yours.
If you follow these guidelines, projection can be used to expand self-awareness and closeness in any relationship. It’s just about a willingness to self-reflect.
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Post by anne12 on Apr 23, 2019 11:05:15 GMT
Do you find yourself overreacting to little irritations?
Your spouse forgot to pick up something on the way home, and it sets you off in a bad mood for the entire evening. Your child tracked mud on the new carpet, and you explode. You find yourself steaming with resentment when your boss simply asks you to do your job. If so, there may be some reasons why.
You've been repressing anger. Anger can sometimes live inside of you for years.
Your parents hurt you with harsh words or severe punishment. Your peers made fun of you as a teenager. Your boss treated you unfairly. You've held all of these hurts inside, and now your stored anger is showing up in your behavior.
Your expectations aren't being met. Expectations are tricky. We should have them, but sometimes they can be unrealistic or unreasonable for the season we are in. I've heard it said that the distance between our reality and our expectations causes internal conflict, and that conflict will often express itself in our our behavior toward others.
You don't feel loved or valued. We are wired for connection. Whether from our intimate, family, or community relationships, when we feel loved, appreciated, and valued, the world is much brighter.
When our love tanks are low, we can sometimes get defensive and put up walls to "protect" ourselves from feeling hurt. When we perceive we aren't valued, we can easily fall into resentment or cynicism that feels much like irritation.
Your stress level is at capacity. Under stress, people can say and do things they would otherwise not—sometimes even things they regret. The issue is not that they have no filter or are uncaring, but rather, they've reached an unhealthy capacity (emotional limit) due to stress. The energy needed to "tame" their emotions, and not react to things that may frustrate or upset them, is at a low.
If you find yourself irritated by things that most likely shouldn't get under your skin, consider writing in a journal or talking to a counselor about the issue(s) that may be exacerbating your irritability. This may help surface patterns and/or get to the root issue underneath it all.
Nobody wants to live in a perpetual state of frustration. Identifying where these irritations come from may help alleviate unnecessary friction and allow you the capacity to enjoy life and your relationships.
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Post by anne12 on Apr 26, 2019 9:08:43 GMT
Passive- agressive anger:
The hidden anger. And the anger that sucks life out of relationships. It is the one who makes men say yes to things they do not really want to do (and then sabotage with slowness or "forgetfulness") It is the one that makes women say "fine" and "whatever" when it really is not fine with them. It can also be the other way around The point is, we do not say DIRECTLY what is wrong - or what we want or do not want. As a woman, do you know this? You withdraw. Get cold. Or quiet. Says "fine" (even if it is not) As a man, do you know this? You shut yourself off Goes out in the garage Go on a bikeride Disappears With draw Arriving home late Hiding behind a newspaper Uses sounds like (mmm) rather than communicating Sulks or rolls eyes instead of communicating People with passive-aggressive anger patterns are not outreaching like the aggressive, but they avoid conflict and are passive. They are angry and they are interested in punishing and in conflict, but they prefer to make it hidden. • Anger through the back door - disguised, indirectly • Does not become visibly angry, but sabotages and punishes instead in the hidden - eg by: - being late/ - "forget" things (appointments / deadlines / to reply back to messages, etc.) - refuse to cooperate (say yes to do something, but do not do it) . deny their involvement if confronted - play innocent or stupid ("God, I have not thought about it!")/ - jam, - expose • Punishes with coolness, ignorance and silence • Tends to confuse, irritate and provoke others (consciously but without admitting it) • "Then you can learn it!" . The angry smile . Procastination . Constanly late • scums instead of saying that you are angry • Sarcasm, suppositories and "out of the side" attacks (often masked as humor or "ha-ha-it-is-jo-just-for-fun" laughter) . Uses a Lot of smileys after a statement 😉🙂😉 . www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbWOh5xjgg8 - In this lesson I talk you through examples of passive-aggressive communication, which happens when a person is angry but their anger is not directly expressed. - narc stephmom fleabag www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug-_K-MFvNg&t=7s. Eyeroll www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5WPVLljm1AThe passive-aggressive would rather be perceived as distracted than as unsympathetic. We all know about passive-aggression in ourselves - in certain relationships or situations, to varying degrees. Some have got - in general - a passive-aggressive pattern. Others only notice passive-aggression sporadically, but none of us can probably say we are free from having punished with silence, put someone on ice, or sabotaged by being deliberately uncooperative, slow, or "forgetful." We are human. And, as you know, people often do inappropriate things. Often because we do not think we have other options. Passive aggression is a strategy men and women use when they feel powerless or when they fear that it will lead to something bad to say no, or ask directly for what they need. It may seem like a deliberately malicious strategy, but in many cases our passive-aggressive actions are an expression of a deep, deeply frustrated, forbidden and repressed “aaarrrggghhh!” We have not allowed ourselves to fully express.
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Post by anne12 on Apr 29, 2019 7:10:41 GMT
Gabor Mate about authensity, repressed emotions and health ect One of the more important elements in his talk is the connection between repressed emotion, specifically anger, and chronic illness: meaning, when we hold back anger, we get sick. Here’s to anger, allowing it to be felt and expressed and the healing that’ll come from this. m.youtube.com/watch?v=pUGGNPAK6uw
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Post by anne12 on Jul 4, 2019 16:07:52 GMT
medium.com/s/story/rage-becomes-her-why-women-dont-get-to-be-angry-b2496e9d679dWhy do we so rarely learn how to be angry? Like most of us, I learned about anger in a vacuum of information by watching the people around me: what they did with their anger, how they responded to other people when they were mad. I don’t remember my parents or other adults ever talking to me about anger directly. Sadness, yes. Envy, anxiety, guilt, check, check, check. But not anger. It turns out that, for girls, this is par for the course. While parents talk to girls about emotions more than they do to boys, anger is excluded. Reflect with me for a moment: How did you first learn to think about emotions, and anger in particular? Can you remember having any conversations with authority figures or role models about how to think about your anger or what to do with it? If you are a woman, chances are the answer is no. As girls, we are not taught to acknowledge or manage our anger so much as to fear, ignore, hide, and transform it. As far as my own early understanding of anger, the plate-throwing incident said it all. My mother may have been livid, but she gave every appearance of being cheerful and happy. By staying silent and choosing this particular outlet for her feelings, she communicated a trove of information: for example, that anger was experienced in isolation and was not worth sharing verbally with others. That furious feelings are best kept to oneself. That when they do inevitably come out, the results can be scary, shocking, and destructive. My mother was acting in a way that remains typical for many women: She was getting her anger “out,” but in a way that explicitly separated it from her relationships. Most women report feeling the angriest in private and interpersonal settings. They also prioritize their relationships — at home, work, and even in political contexts — in determining, consciously or not, if and how to express negative emotions. While we experience anger internally, it is mediated culturally and externally by other people’s expectations and social prohibitions. Roles and responsibilities, power and privilege, are the framers of our anger. Relationships, culture, social status, exposure to discrimination, poverty, and access to power all factor into how we think about, experience, and utilize anger. Different countries, regions — even neighboring communities in the same state — have been shown to have anger profiles, exhibiting different patterns of behavior and social dynamics. So, for example, in some cultures anger is a way to vent frustration, but in others it is more for exerting authority. In the United States, anger in white men is often portrayed as justifiable and patriotic, but in black men as criminality, and in black women as threat. In the Western world, anger in women has been widely associated with “madness.” Of course, everyone feels anger. Studies show that differences between men’s and women’s experiences of feeling angry are virtually nonexistent. But while women and men feel anger similarly, there are stark differences in how we respond to those feelings and how they are received by the people around us. At home, children still learn quickly that for boys and men, anger reinforces traditional gender expectations, but that for girls and women, anger confounds them. It’s as children that most of us learn to regard anger as unfeminine, unattractive, and selfish. Many of us are taught that our anger will be an imposition on others, making us irksome and unlikeable. That it will alienate our loved ones or put off people we want to attract. That it will twist our faces, make us ugly. This is true even for those of us who have to use anger to defend ourselves in charged and dangerous situations. As girls, we are not taught to acknowledge or manage our anger so much as fear, ignore, hide, and transform it. There is not a woman alive who does not understand that women’s anger is openly reviled. We don’t need books, studies, theories, or specialists to tell us this. Over the past several years, I’ve spoken to thousands of girls and women at schools, conferences, and corporations. Without fail, afterward they come up to me to say the same two things: They want to know how to stand up for themselves “without sounding angry or bitter,” and they want to share stories about how, when they do express anger about issues specifically relevant to their lives as women, people respond with doubt and often aggression. Women experience discrimination differently, but we share the experience — in anger or when simply speaking assertively — of being told we are “crazy,” “irrational,” even “demonic.” If we are worried and, as studies show, compelled to repackage, ignore, divert, or trivialize our anger, it is because we well understand the costs of displaying it. Our society is infinitely creative in finding ways to dismiss and pathologize women’s rage. I have always understood that being seen as an “angry woman” — sometimes simply for sharing my thoughts out loud — would cast me as overemotional, irrational, “passionate,” maybe hysterical, and certainly a “not objective” and fuzzy thinker. When a woman shows anger in institutional, political, and professional settings, she automatically violates gender norms. She is met with aversion, perceived as more hostile, irritable, less competent, and unlikable — the kiss of death for a class of people expected to maintain social connections. The same people who might opt to work for an angry-sounding, aggressive man are likely to be less tolerant of the same behavior if the boss were a woman. When a man becomes angry in an argument or debate, people are more likely to abandon their own positions and defer to his. But when a woman acts the same way, she’s likely to elicit the opposite response. For some of us, considered angry by nature and default, the risks of asserting ourselves, defending ourselves, or speaking out in support of issues that are important to us can be significant. Black girls and women, for example, routinely silenced by “angry black woman” stereotypes, have to contend with abiding dangers of institutionalized violence that might result from their expressing justifiable rage. It makes sense that men, as studies find, consider anger to be power enhancing in a way that women don’t. For men, anger is far more likely to be power enhancing. Ask yourself why a society would deny girls and women, from cradle to grave, the right to feel, express, and leverage anger and to be respected when we do? Anger has a bad rap, but it is actually one of the most hopeful and forward thinking of all our emotions. It begets transformation, manifesting our passion and keeping us invested in the world. It is a rational and emotional response to trespass, violation, and moral disorder. It bridges the divide between what is and what ought to be, between a difficult past and an improved possibility. Anger warns us viscerally of violation, threat, and insult. By effectively severing anger from “good womanhood,” we choose to sever girls and women from the emotion that best protects us against danger and injustice. It took me too long to realize that the people most inclined to say “You sound angry” are the same people who uniformly don’t care to ask “Why?” Like many women, I am still constantly being reminded that it’s “better” if women didn’t “seem so angry.” What does “better” mean, exactly? And why does it fall so disproportionately on the shoulders of women to be “better” by putting aside anger in order to “understand” and to forgive and forget? Does it make us “good” people? Is it healthy? Does it enable us to protect our interests, bring change to struggling communities, or upend failing systems? An unqualified no. Mainly, it props up a profoundly corrupt status quo. That anger metaphors are filled with kitchen imagery — anger simmers and smolders before reaching a boiling point; a person has to “mull things over” and “cool off”; we are supposed to “contain” or “put a lid” on our anger, or it will leave a bad “taste in the mouth” — strikes me as more than an interesting coincidence. As women, we often have to bite our tongues, eat our words, and swallow our pride. It’s almost, as one of my daughters put it, as if we are supposed to keep our anger in the kitchen. Where we might, for example, throw plates. I don’t throw plates, but I do throw words. It took me years to acknowledge my own anger, and when I did, I didn’t know what do with it. I had the distinct sensation of being alien to myself — which was ironic, since the real inauthenticity was in my denying anger, not my recognizing it. Now I write and write and write. I write my rage onto paper and into bits and bytes. I write anger out of my head and my body and put it out in the world, where, frankly, it belongs. This can cause deep discomfort in the people around me, and at times it has brought personal or professional costs. But it also leads to richer and more productive experiences, relationships, and life outcomes. It took me too long to realize that the people most inclined to say “You sound angry” are the same people who uniformly don’t care to ask “Why?” They’re interested in silence, not dialogue. This response to women expressing anger happens on larger and larger scales: in schools, places of worship, the workplace, and politics. A society that does not respect women’s anger is one that does not respect women, not as human beings, thinkers, knowers, active participants, or citizens. Women around the world are clearly angry and acting on that emotion. That means, inevitably, that a backlash is in full swing, most typically among “moderates” who are fond of disparaging angry women as dangerous and unhinged. It is easier to criticize the angry women than to ask the questions “What is making you so angry?” and “What can we do about it?” — the answers to which have disruptive and revolutionary implications. There is real urgency behind these questions. We are living in what feels like an age of pronounced rage and near-constant outrage. There is a lot to be angry about, and everywhere you turn, people seem furious, indignant, and impatient. Every time I see a bold, outspoken, and unapologetically angry woman, I applaud her because of what her expression represents culturally. Despite the fact that many women are freer to take their considerable fury-fueled energy into homes, streets, schools, the workplace, and voting booths, anger is still poorly understood and, in women, often harshly penalized. The truth is that anger isn’t what gets in our way — it is our way. All we have to do is own it.
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Post by anne12 on Jul 10, 2019 14:09:59 GMT
Boundarie setting model - when You have to Get back to someone:Do you have to get back to someone - something happed yesterday, a week ago, 5 years ago, 25 years ago. You have every right to get back to someone. You also have every right to change your mind. Think of a person you are unwilling to show love, be friendly towards ect. Step-by-step guide to when you havent said NO, set your limit or havent communicated clearly enough. Remember, it's never too late to communicate. Also, remember that anger is not always felt as anger. Maybe you are annoyed, disappointed, hurt, angry, sad, frustrated. You may not know what you are at all, but you have reacted with paralysis, silence, introversion, rejection, sarcasm, coolness, abandonment, hopelessness or crying. These are all signs that may indicate anger. 1) The current situation First of all, describe the current situation and identify the current feeling. There is something that has happened, that you have become angry about or have reacted to emotionally strongly. What has happened and what are you? Identify the feeling. Are you angry, frustrated, disappointed, annoyed, hurt, upset, furious… Who are you angry at, dissapointed with, annoyed at I am.., ....at/with..., because.... 2) What are you angry, frustruated, irritated, dissapointed, injured about ? (If there is a lot of charge: many insults, situations where you have never spoke up or confronted the person, you can write an anger letter (dont send it) to let it all out. jebkinnisonforum.com/post/38961/ Unsencored. Getting it out of your system. 3) Inner work/self reflection: (when we are able to reflect, we become adults and we will have less tendencie to regression=becoming 4 years old) Why do I react this way ? What is triggering my anger ? What are my feelings underneath my anger ? What do I really feel ? (difficult, laught at, ignored, rejected, ect.) What do I feel this person is against/towards me ? (cold, arrogant ect.) Do I know theese feelings from somewhere else ? (Is it a old wound that gets re-activated from my past ?) jebkinnisonforum.com/post/18822/Is my feeling proportional to what has happend ? Can I justify my anger ? Do I have to adress whats underneath somewhere else (also) (with my dad, in therapy, my boss ect ?) Did I overreact in the situation ? What are you having difficulty saying ? I am ........ at ........because...... 4) Allow yourself to feel what you spontanusly feel/want to say to the person. WRITE IT down. 5) Think about what is REALLY triggering your anger ? How do you feel - that the other person is against you ? (Cold, indifferent ect.) ? What is your shadow ? Do You know these feelings from elsewhere ? Is your anger proportional to what has happend ? Is your anger/dissapointment okay ? 6) Concider what is the RIGHT thing to do ? Do You have to stand up for yourself, keep your own integrety, ect. - do you have to send a text, send a letter, book a meeting, set a boundarie, ask for something, contact the police ect. ? 7) What can prevent you from doing that (your shadow - the things you do not want to be = what is it that you are affraid of beeing seen as ? (Needy, rude, too sensitive, hysterical, borring, greedy bitter, hard, whiney ect.). Everytime you do not do, what is the right thing to do, it is because there is something, that you do not want to be seen as (your shadow)You can put your shadow word into the sentence that you want to communicate - then people cant use it against you because you already said it) 8) Write down what you which that you had the courage to do/say: 3 steps: A) Describe the situation - what has actually happend ? FACTS "When, I have noticed, I experience, when you said.. , I feel that..." Do not use never, always (people wont listen to you if you say always/never) Be specific: when, how often, how much, how Long.... B) Describe what you are and the effect the situation has on you: "Im angry that, I am sad, I am dissapointed, ..." "I feel/I .../ I experience that../ I feel that you ...." , C) Then request something: (Important!!!!!) What would you ask for, request, get, demand, clarify ect. "I need ...." "I would like You to ...." "I Will oo longer...." "I am no longer willing to..." 9) Then sleep on it / go for a walk, do something else for an hour 10) Then look at what you have written down. Imagine how you yourself would recieve the message. Could you do it with more warmth ? Ex: - I know that you do not do this to annoy me.../ ... 11) Then send a text, call, send an email or meet the person face to face.
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