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Post by alexandra on Nov 18, 2019 4:02:24 GMT
I wanted to do my best to work with what I have, and I have done that, and no regrets. I have ended it with him, knowing that I have done all I could. That's the way I chose to handle it. I'm sorry to hear things didn't work out, but I think you've made the best decision in the given situation.
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Post by happyidiot on Nov 18, 2019 5:23:40 GMT
You need to become an expert at fearlessly and directly communicating (still with gentleness, compassion and understanding, and at appropriate times when possible). And asking/listening–that is even more important than just telling someone your own needs, actually. You can get better at this stuff by reading about it and practicing it, even if it's not perfect and might be awkward at first. Lord knows I need a lot more practice, but it is improving fast.While I do want to be good at communicating the best way I can to him, I feel like there's a fine line between doing that and walking on eggshells. Because I love him and I do believe he loves me, I am willing to do my best to communicate what I want. Getting good at fearless direct communication is the opposite of walking on eggshells. Walking on eggshells is when you are afraid to communicate directly with someone. It's being afraid that if you tell them your feelings and needs or ask them about their own feelings and needs, that they will get mad or scared or withdraw or leave you. It's trying to anticipate their reaction and avoiding saying anything that you worry might not get your desired reaction. Maybe you were confused by the part that I put in brackets? Having compassion, gentleness and a sense of timing is a part of good communication, it is not equivalent to walking on eggshells. You should practice those things in your communication with everyone, it's not specific to avoidants. As far as timing I don't mean waiting for the perfect time, but just to consider the mental state of your audience and whether it's a bad time. A little patience can yield a much more effective result. I suppose one could argue that the true "opposite" of walking on eggshells is just saying whatever you think all the time with zero regard to how the other person might take it or whether they are receptive and without trying to learn better communication skills, but that helps neither party and is not a worthy goal. If you aren't in touch with your own needs and feelings and able to express them in a way that doesn't come out sounding angry, stifled, inauthentic or critical, if you can't demonstrate that you respect your partner's needs, how can you expect your partner to do the same? (and I mean the general "you" here) You could take some of the energy that you spend on managing and analyzing him and turn it towards learning how to be direct and authentic. There are plenty of videos and articles on communication. Best of luck! EDIT: I just read that you said you broke up with him? I hope you're ok. I think my advice still stands, as it will be useful for all relationships. You cannot control how someone feels and it is never helpful to tell anyone what they feel or how to feel. How exactly do you know what he feels, did he tell you? If anything you need to be validating his feelings, not telling him he shouldn't have them. You can validate someone's feelings without agreeing with the stories that they might have created to explain them. If you want him to feel safe, you can't invalidate his emotions. Emotional invalidation is when a person's thoughts and feelings are rejected, ignored, or judged. It's upsetting for anyone, and can be particularly hurtful for someone who is emotionally sensitive, like an FA.
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Post by jules on Nov 18, 2019 9:35:18 GMT
My crushing awareness of mortality comes from feeling attached. It makes me want to stay away from relationships, I have such a feeling of everything being so temporary and fragile. It's like my only solace is in going it alone, even with good friendships I am continually reminded that goodbye always comes. It's not a good feeling. It keeps me on the fringe if I let it. Although, as I get farther along in this process that changes and I am relaxing more. When I'm not attached or triggered I don't think about death, it's just not in my awareness. How odd, all of it. @inmourning - Your comments sound so much like my DA’s thoughts. He won’t even put up pictures at work or decorate his office with any personal effects bc he said you never know when it will end and he wants to be able to pick up and leave in a moment’s notice. And he has a job with contracted job security. Very much an overriding belief that nothing lasts forever or is stable. Life itself is seen as fragile- he says he’ll die young. It's as if we dated the same man! Mine has an identical theory on work belongings/ decoration. Wow.
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Post by jules on Nov 18, 2019 9:45:31 GMT
NYC, I just read you broke up with him. I am sorry you are hurting but I am glad you are at peace with your decision!
Everyone should tall about what bothers them. Talk it to death. It gets some off your shoulders and true friends will be happy to carry a tiny bit of that for you while helping you to work through it.
Internalizing, dissociation are not healthy. Glad you are not doing that.
My therapist once explained to me that dissociation is like stuffing socks into a sock drawer...eventually you'll go to put one last sock in there and the whole dang drawer bursts onto the floor. Then you are left with a ton of unmatched, unsorted, not dealt with socks. Totally overwhelming. Seemingly insurmountable. It's best to just deal with the socks initially and put them away appropriately.
Talk about it, talk about it, talk about it!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 10:13:39 GMT
@inmourning - Your comments sound so much like my DA’s thoughts. He won’t even put up pictures at work or decorate his office with any personal effects bc he said you never know when it will end and he wants to be able to pick up and leave in a moment’s notice. And he has a job with contracted job security. Very much an overriding belief that nothing lasts forever or is stable. Life itself is seen as fragile- he says he’ll die young. It's as if we dated the same man! Mine has an identical theory on work belongings/ decoration. Wow. I should clarify that my office is well decorated and very cozy- but I'm self employed. I receive clients there. If it were someone else's building and just me, I probably wouldn't settle in too much. My home is also well decorated and inviting- my refuge. I rarely have anyone to visit but it's also my sanctuary. The work attitude I believe is back to the one person psychology and relying on anything external for a sense of security. Trust is an issue- and while there probably isn't active fear, there can be an awareness that you just really can't put your weight on someone else's structure, even if it would be nice. IDK, I am not inside their heads but that's what goes on with me.
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Post by nyc718 on Nov 18, 2019 14:05:11 GMT
I wanted to do my best to work with what I have, and I have done that, and no regrets. I have ended it with him, knowing that I have done all I could. That's the way I chose to handle it. I'm sorry to hear things didn't work out, but I think you've made the best decision in the given situation. Thank you, it is the best decision. And I am proud that I handled it the best way I could have for myself, not what anyone else thought I should do according to their perspectives. I try to respect others in their own process, even if it seems like a pattern that will go a certain way. Everyone has to go on their own journey, not someone else's. Thank you again.
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Post by nyc718 on Nov 18, 2019 14:08:18 GMT
NYC, I just read you broke up with him. I am sorry you are hurting but I am glad you are at peace with your decision! Everyone should tall about what bothers them. Talk it to death. It gets some off your shoulders and true friends will be happy to carry a tiny bit of that for you while helping you to work through it. Internalizing, dissociation are not healthy. Glad you are not doing that. My therapist once explained to me that dissociation is like stuffing socks into a sock drawer...eventually you'll go to put one last sock in there and the whole dang drawer bursts onto the floor. Then you are left with a ton of unmatched, unsorted, not dealt with socks. Totally overwhelming. Seemingly insurmountable. It's best to just deal with the socks initially and put them away appropriately. Talk about it, talk about it, talk about it! Thank you. So far I am sad, but relieved as well. At the end of the day, I feel he is a good person who just doesn't have the tools to bring to the relationship that I need. He needs to work on himself just as I have been working on myself. Maybe in the future we can revisit. For now, I am going on a separate path and going to take care of myself. I have good supportive people around me and for that, I am grateful. Thanks again.
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Post by kittygirl on Nov 18, 2019 18:56:08 GMT
nyc718 Just got caught up on all this and I wanted to thank you for sharing. I think it's good for people in the future (i think about little future "mes" or "yous") to be able to see your path through this (I was a long time lurker before I ever posted and I really did read virtually everything on here and it was all invaluable to me) and I am glad you are feeling at peace with your decision. <3
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