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Post by annieb on Aug 27, 2021 13:42:56 GMT
I’m in NYC as well, ladies. I’m going to go with doctora and her ex to a coffee shop and watch videos with them.
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Post by dullboat123 on Aug 30, 2021 4:31:30 GMT
My experience is very weird and in contradiction to what you've said in some parts. There are no harem of ladies pursuing me. I get what I'm served. However both my narcissistic ex wife and avoidant ex gf chased me hard (lovebombing) in the beginning. I can say I wasn't very interested in the beginning but they pretty much use seduction to get me hooked. With my narc ex wife, even though she is a full blown covert narc, she didn't make me feel like the "shoe will drop any minute". That's because I have what she wanted and she is sucking my blood slowly. So I was very secure in the relationship and marriage even when communications was kept to minimum and where necessary. No with my avoidant ex, even though she kept saying I'm the one, I'm it, she's going to marry me, her actions didn't add up. I am constantly on edge, with deep fear of abandonment because with the avoidant ex, the shoe literally CAN DROP anytime! Say the wrong thing, boom, she's out the door then stonewall. Do something she doesn't agree with, boom, she's out the door then stonewall. Not to mention the tonnes of distancing behaviours she is displaying as the relationship went on - from hiding the phone from me to hiding in the bathroom with her phone, not including me in her parties with friends, cancelling dates, NOT going on dates cause she's "tired", keeping her exes on her insta that CONSTANTLY asks her for nudes and refusing to block them even when I said I'm not comfortable with it......those, among other subtle, body languages that makes me feel that I'm dispensable. Dullboat, Was your da-ex a lot younger than you? I forgot. She also sounds crazy immature. I implore you to answer this question: What kind of person do you want to be with next? How do you imagine it? What are your new standards, besides not being totally fucking avoidant? Yes she is 15 years younger but at 28 years old, you'll expect a certain level of maturity.....crazy immature is right. But the thing is I'm not sure if its immaturity or its the stunted growth of an avoidant which makes them to have the emotional depth of a condom. One very weird phenomena is that her childhood friend, which is so close to her, they're literally "sisters". This sister can do no wrong. My ex would stick her neck out for her but would be passive aggressive to her at most. My ex would defend her sis with her life. But here's the kicker, from what I seen, this useless drug-taking "sister" of hers wouldn't stick her neck out for my ex AT ALL! Or only when it suits. I'm the one that proved to be the reliable one but because I got closer than anyone else, I'm made the enemy. The "sister" basically is a housemate where my ex can maintain her distance and the sister have her own life elsewhere.
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Post by tnr9 on Aug 30, 2021 14:45:06 GMT
I’m in NYC as well, ladies. I’m going to go with doctora and her ex to a coffee shop and watch videos with them. How did it go?
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Post by annieb on Aug 30, 2021 14:52:53 GMT
I’m in NYC as well, ladies. I’m going to go with doctora and her ex to a coffee shop and watch videos with them. How did it go? I wish, I was only daydreaming! They never showed. Just kidding, doctora and I have never met in real life.
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Post by doctora on Oct 9, 2021 9:03:56 GMT
Well guys, y’all will say a big I told you so, but I am happy this happened - I feel free. Like, 100%, I am over this bullshit free.
So, here’s the thing - things were going well. I broke up with my bf (my needs were not being met there, I couldn’t deny it anymore) and my ex and I decided to be “friends” while working on things. I wanted this as well, by the way. I did not want to date him unless he proved date-worthy and relationship-worthy. We decided we would do the “repair the relationship” course on the personal development school. We watched videos, and had a plan to do the work.
However, we started to chil and have fun together.. I didn’t want to push the work part because I wanted to re-bond or whatever it’s called. But also not that much time had passed and I assumed that we would get to it soon. I also started sleeping with him because in the past, I had avoided it since we weren’t officially dating. This time I was OK with it because I thought that it would actually help us get closer (and also I wanted to.)
Then, things started to get…weird. Once when we slept together he was extremely aggressive, I shouldn’t put too many details but it was like, impersonal, aggressive, painful, and not satisfying for me. He did a couple other small distancing behaviors that I noticed, like not wanting to share something I asked about for basically no reason.
Then, suddenly, he he weekend after a really nice weekend together, he broke up with me - we had plans for me to come out to visit him the next day. You might be asking how he could’ve broken up with me if we were not dating. Well, we were getting there, organically.
Because this happens literally every time and we talked about it at length before, and he promised he would not do it like this again, I told him he was deactivating and that I would come anyway and talk about this. So here’s the thing though, on my way up there I kind of just felt…like I was just going through the ropes. I already felt detached from this. It felt very codependent, like someone coming to the rescue for someone who is relapsing after the hundredth time. But also, again, I was aware of how lame it was, meaning, how completely beneath me all this was. I wasn’t betraying myself exactly but I did feel this was beneath me. It almost felt like I was going through with it just because he had promised not to do this this time and I was extremely angry and we had just spent a lot of quality time together. However, I was not doing it out of the need for him to take back his decision or something. It says it I just wanted to make my point but I also was kind of done with this already, its too unfair and exhausting.
Long story short, I basically reminded him of all the stuff we had talked about just weeks before and, I just can’t emphasize how insane this is - he almost had a different personality come out that didn’t remember any of the information about avoidants. It was like, seriously weird. I ended up sleeping over and we ended up hugging and talking, etc. etc. we slept together that night. I almost wanted to prove a point that he was deactivating.
But here’s the deal. He actually without asking or warning, ahem, didn’t pull out during sex. I took this as a manifestation of very unconscious ambivalence towards me, like the extreme kind. He knew I could get pregnant and as we both want to have kids, and have talked about doing so for years, I figured it was a bad thing but that’s where it was coming from. In the morning, I asked for him to prescribe Plan B, but I also said, what were you thinking? And what would we do if I actually got pregnant? I expected him to say of course we would have the kid because you’re 34 and I’m 37 and and this is what we’ve been talking about for 12 years, and we make enough money and want the same things. But guess what he said?
“I would pay for an abortion.”
And ladies and gentlemen, my feelings for this man DISAPPEARED.
My ex is not just a dismissive avoidant. He is an extreme dismissive avoidant. He’s deeply emotionally immature, unaware of himself, and actually incapable of growth. He’s a piece of shit. I feel beyond liberated.
I wish I could tell everyone struggling and confused by avoidant behavior the following:
If they are not working on themselves seriously, or in other words, if they are not actively trying to become more secure, if they love you, they will hurt you and push you away. The more they love you the more that pain and confusion and trauma is baked into the relationship.
I know this man loved me, and yet, he had absolutely no clue as to how to properly love a person romantically. He was an absolutely textbook dismissive avoidant, all the behaviors were there…And he actually got farther than most do in that he was starting to become aware of it and had expressed the desire to change.
In the end, their brains are wired so differently that if they are not actively training themselves to second guess themselves when they deactivate, it will end badly every single time. It’s funny, Tays Gibson has a video about the different types of deactivations, and my ex actually had different types of deactivations for each break up. He did a couple of times to protect himself after I offended him, he did it a couple of times because he was stressed out from external circumstances and thought I was being too needy, and this time he did it because things were going well. This is actually one of the reasons why I’m able to walk away this time so easily. Previous times he always blamed me or it was some kind of horrible thing where Is second guess myself, but this time it was obvious that it was his issue. Prior to this he was talking to our friends wife about getting back together, trying to get her advice, and he seemed excited and willing to do the work at first, watching videos on his own, and he also met up with my mom without me, because he wanted to. This is a man who is truly terrified and in capable of intimacy and a real relationship. .
I do not consider the time I spent on this man wasted because I learned so much. And I don’t even necessarily regret going up there after he broke up with me this last time, because his attitude toward me purely disgusted me. He went from loving me to devaluing me within a week. I no longer am emotionally or even really physically attracted to this man.
Also, sorry for all the typos, I’m writing on my phone and I’m also using Dictaphone
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Post by annieb on Oct 9, 2021 15:03:36 GMT
doctora - I’m not going to say much more, but when you start feeling that familiar pull towards him, please come and write here instead. This has to be the last time you ever go back to him, ok? And thanks for sharing and coming back here. Block and delete. Him, his friends and family. Everyone associated with him.
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Post by doctora on Oct 10, 2021 5:19:25 GMT
annieb….thank you, I appreciate it. I am truly done. I never said that before this time because it wasn’t 100% true, but this time it is. I see him differently, I see the entire relationship differently. I actually feel entirely unshackled from him and this story, and it feels…amazing. I was hoping this day would come. If I ever do feel a pull toward him I will post here instead. I doubt that will happen, but If it does, I definitely will write y’all here, and I appreciate the support. I am single now, and ready to find out who I am without this dark cloud looming over my future.
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